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    Posted: 2 hours 46 minutes ago at 15:56
I am not against a common market just the EU
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Oh and we don't rely on cheap labour from abroad for our farming etc.
What about fishing quoters where 60% of catches are thrown away dead.
Its obvious that are so blinkerd this is pointless
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Apples to oranges.

Singapore is a de-facto single party state with corporal and capital punishment and limitations on free speech and protest. It also has trade deal with the EU which we won't have on the 30th March.

And most of those Arab countries have an economy based entirely upon vast oil reserves, and many rely on vast numbers of poorly paid migrant labour from countries like Nepal, who to all intents and purposes are treated as slaves.

Oh, and those EU regulations. Which ones specifically is it that you think are about empire building that we will be able to get rid of?
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Some of the far east countries earn more than the average here in the UK .
Singapore, most of the Arab countries.
As far as 'de-regulation' i am sure most of the paperwork req for EU could be dumped if logic was applied as opposed to empire building
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Ha. You must realise how silly that comparison is.

How much do the staff at those Far East companies get paid hourly? Do they get paid maternity leave? Do they have access to free healthcare? Does the company worry about worker safety or pollution? Etc.

If you're advocating, like I'm sure Liam Fox and Rees-Mogg do in private, for 'de-regulation' to make us more like a Far East country for example, then shouldn't you perhaps be up front about it, and stop pretending that we can carry on as normal?

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This is my point are you saying that there are no small firms that can afford to trade into the EU at the moment.
Its bolox how many farms in the far east trade into the EU etc
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Really... is that all?

Okay. All that stuff is set out in the technical notices for HM Gov and the EU. The main reason it will be difficult for small businesses is not the difficulty it's the expense. There'll be additional documentation and software to process it for anything that's shipped along with the extra staffing required to do that. HM Gov has suggested that companies should look into engaging the services of Customs Agents or Logistical Forwarders which is additional expense. There are the delays required to do the paperwork, to get the approvals processed, plus any delays that might be incurred at the border - don't forget most stuff goes in trucks with goods from multiple sources heading to multiple destinations - if any paperwork on any one of those shipments has an error then the whole truck gets delayed, and time is money. And then there's the duty payments that will need to be made upfront in order to cross the border. As you've shipped to Norway and Switzerland you will know that these coutries can often require duty payments up front which are not necessarily reflected in the value of the goods concerned, and can be much higher and this will be the case for the whole EU. And then there are the tariffs - as our WTO schedule of tariffs has yet to be agreed at the WTO we'll be trading with the EU as a 'Third Country' which means the highest rate of applicable duty on anything we try to sell into the EU. Only Mauritania trades without a WTO schedule and they have a preferential deal with the EU for African countries called 'Anything but Arms' which gives them zero tariff access for all other goods, so the UK will be on worse terms than any other country in respect of our biggest customers.

So you're right it's not impossible, but if small companies have to deal with even a part of the above I think it's fair to say it won't be economical for many of them to trade into the EU any more.
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How difficult it is to do the paper work for exporting and how small firms will find exporting allmost imposible.
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What things specifically have you heard that aren't true?

I take it you've had a look at the 'No Deal' guidance notices from the UK Government and the European Commission. They don't leave much to the imagination.
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Originally posted by clift_d clift_d wrote:

ROFL. Can't wait to leave and never mind the consequences.

Did you think we might end with no deal when you voted?
  
Yes and having owned a company that exported both in and out of the EU a lot of what thats said is far from the truth.
We exported to Spain France Germany Norway Switzerland USA Japan and Canada.
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ROFL. Can't wait to leave and never mind the consequences.

Did you think we might end with no deal when you voted?
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Originally posted by danstervan danstervan wrote:

Originally posted by clift_d clift_d wrote:

It might just be me, but it doesn't seem like we have had many people in defending Brexit recently ...


Aye, the "leave masif" have indeed been somewhat conspicuous by their absence...


No we are just quietly waiting till we are out.
Only a few of weeks to go.
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An intersting article summarising some of the impacts of a no deal Brexit:

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Originally posted by clift_d clift_d wrote:

It might just be me, but it doesn't seem like we have had many people in defending Brexit recently ...


Aye, the "leave masif" have indeed been somewhat conspicuous by their absence...

They're probably all busy as fook knocking together new Austin Allegros and Sherpa vans, and making innovative jam while they still have enough leccy to do so.
Currently over 7% coming from those pesky Europeans.


Gonna be a lot harder to boil jam and weld with just a candle for power. LOL
Come to think of it they'll have hee haw to weld seeing as the British Steel industry got trashed by "our so competent governments".

Time to play Big Country again on the demise of that industry.




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Oops ...


Drip, drip, drip ...

It might just be me, but it doesn't seem like we have had many people in defending Brexit recently ...
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Drip drip drip ...

According to one of the members of the Bank of England Monetary Policy Committee, figures suggest that the UK economy has now lost around £80 billion since the EU referendum. This equates to around £800 million per week over the period, which is more than twice the sort of number that a bunch of lying spivs might paint on the side of a bus.

Presumably this is the 'Brexit Dividend' ... ?

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It's all about harkening back to an imperial past when trade negotiations were the easiest thing in the world to do, as they were always conducted by the British Army.

Apparently the defence secretary thinks Brexit will increase the 'UK's military standing'... perhaps his plan is to sell all the chairs? After all didn't he suggest arming old tractors as mobile missile launchers?
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The boy's gone full loco. Shocked

A few months ago he states like a child "Russia should go away and shut up".
Now he states "Britain should be ready to use military force to support its global interests after Brexit".


These people are complete feckin idiots. Wacko 

Who the feck votes imbeciles like this into position of power. He doesn't come across as having the intellect or practical capability of changing a cv boot, never-mind having the wit to consider the multifaceted implications of military conflict.
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The drip drip drip of bad news keeps coming...


And that's before we've even left and in only two years - anybody else remember 'Project Fear'?

Quote Treasury analysis also shows that if the UK leaves the EU, after 15 years this could mean:
- a cost per year equivalent to £4,300 per household in the UK
- a hit to tax receipts of £36 billion a year
- this is the equivalent of an extra 8p on the basic rate of income tax

That was a fifteen year prediction but it looks liked we're already well on our way... ho hum.
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Honest, they definitely know what they are doing. Wacko



At least Dave is capable of thought. Albeit a bit late... LOL


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