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    Posted: 18 Jul 13 at 18:00
For a year, since I first enjoyed LT ownership, I have been 'using' a sloppy gearchange which at time took a couple of firm persuasions to get reverse, though first, when I did use it the once was fine.

You may have read in the CamperJam post that I found I was missing reverse and first when I got to the site. Reverse was there the previous night. Not overly bothered, since though it is uphill to home, and I can make sure I would not need reverse until I got to my drive. Hopefully, the rest of my gears would not disappear in the same quiet way.

So armed with Mats' bushes, my OEMs, and after a TPS/VW Commercial non-communication bollock, a pair of 015311544 balls. I also had a pair of 282711279A bellows, which I got because they were available.

So, onto the actual task. I read Madras' blog entry on Herman, and could not find much else other than Haynes to work from.

Madra rightly says that in the list of things you are going to have trouble accessing, the clamp on the gearshift end of the shaft is going to be near the top. Too bloody right.

The clamp and nut are clearly visible, if you are in the right place at the right angle, and thus a right royal pain to get to with both hands. The nyloc nut is on a plain bolt which means you need both hands at arms length. I found that lying with my feet sticking out under the grille meant my left hand could hold the spanner on the bolt head while my right could manipulate the nut. Jamming a large screwdriver into the gap allows an amount of slackness which I thought would allow the easy removal of the clamp. HA!  

I ended up having to remove the grille to get a two feet long rod onto the end of the gearshift shaft to hammer it out of the clamp. At this point the clamp and the tube you cannot see fell to the ground. Clunk.

I found no ball to replace, only a pile of rust, not even the remnants of a ball. Naturally the boot which should have been protecting the non-existent ball, was only half there too. Where the ball should have been was bare too, just a rusty peg with some shiny marks where it had attempted to do its' job until the end.

I did not like the idea of putting a nice clean new ball in a manky, rusty old socket like that, so I looked at the ins and outs of cleaning the bore, and possibly sleeving it since it was badly ridged and pitted. The new ball was a polyurethane moulding, quite hard to a fingernail but squashable by a couple of millimetres on its' diameter.

The Ins and outs amounted to turning a big chunk of plastic to hold the socket for boring some of the crud out, since a wire brush had no effect. I did manage to get some of the lumpiness out, but taking too much would mean having to sleeve it too. I decided that this was too much effort at the time and so resolved to measure the part for future replacing/repair.

Back outside I cleaned the long rod at the bushes to have a proper look and measure.

Apart from being mucky due to the lack of protection, they were a maximum of 1mm down on their diameters. The wear is clearly visible and again I went for the clean and regrease for speed, having checked the ball on the gearbox, and found that to be in good condition, again inspite of the lack of protection. A good dollop of grease and the ball pressed onto the finger quite easily.

The two bellows I had were pressed into service since their proper situations were still in excellent condition, and I could not get the nuts undone anyway.

Everything back together, and getting the clamp/socket back in place was, again, a right royal pain. Just getting it to stick on the end of the long rod sufficiently to get out from underneath and the tap it on properly with two feet long rod and a hammer.

It seems I knocked on a bit too far, but when I tried the shift in the cab all gears were easily found. Clear the area below, and the first thing to do is to select reverse to get off the ramps. Fingers crossed, …..no problemo. Straight down the ramps and into the street. Into second and off around the block.

The difference was immense, no exaggeration people. All gears, up and down. A little notchy, but no stirring the pot in the vague hope of finding what you are looking for. All for the sake of a £4 plastic ball. The notchiness may be the position of the clamp/socket, being a bit too far towards the rear.

Now I have done it, and know what made what feel so bad, Mats' bushes are still to be fitted when I need to, and the 015311544 balls are T4 parts too, so should be available for a while yet.

Todays drive was super, clicking through the gears with little effort.Thumbs Up

Now to see what can be used for protection of the new balls.


Edit:  I did not mention that I undid the gearbox end first, but this makes it very difficult to remove the clamping bolt, too much movement in the long rod. So after putting the back end back together, the clamp bolt was relatively easy to remove.


The notchy feel has all but gone now, Sunday,



Edited by LTCamper89 - 22 Jan 15 at 18:23
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Fantastic post, thanks for that.

I have all the parts too but am going to get through two weeks of Devon travelling before I do what you've managed to do.  I feel a bit more confident now :-)
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Access is easier when on its roof Wink
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A job I've still got to do, so thanks for the write up. I have maybe a mm or two play in the long rod bushes, and a touch more in the rear ball. No idea about the front yet.
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Best you can hope for the front is that it is still thereShocked

I did think it very strange that so much slop could be caused by one bush/ball.

Thinking later, leverage etc makes the pivot which is closest the most likely culprit. 

If both front and rear bushes had been replaced, the long rod would bend OR the bushes would wear to change gear. I think that once the bushes wear to a certain extent, they may not much further. 

The clamp/socket was not 'square' but I put this down to the welding involved in manufacture. ?If anyone does this little job, please would you check if the clamp/socket is concentric. Just interested, since it can easily be put on 'backwards'. I doubt that there is any reason for it to be manufactured slightly unsquare/non-concentric but it would be nice to know.

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Just in case you do not check the original post, since edits do not show as 'new post'

Edit:  I did not mention that I undid the gearbox end first, but this makes it very difficult to remove the clamping bolt, too much movement in the long rod. So after putting the back end back together, the clamp bolt was relatively easy to remove.

Notchy feeling went by Sunday.



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Originally posted by pcracker pcracker wrote:

Fantastic post, thanks for that.

I have all the parts too but am going to get through two weeks of Devon travelling before I do what you've managed to do.  I feel a bit more confident now :-)

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Originally posted by PORTOVECHIOS PORTOVECHIOS wrote:

Originally posted by pcracker pcracker wrote:

Fantastic post, thanks for that.

I have all the parts too but am going to get through two weeks of Devon travelling before I do what you've managed to do.  I feel a bit more confident now :-)

Did it go well?

I did mine two weeks ago and it happened exactly as it happened above for Chris.  Obviously is it much easier with the beast jacked up but I did actually manage to do all adjustments with the van on the ground.

I fashioned a wooden pole to go though the grill and smack the end of the shaft with as it's hollow and can peen in if you use metal.

About 150 miles later and my gearbox feels like new.
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ah nice, will wait for the summer and have a go provided i can source the parts

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Glad to be of use James, and also to know that the bushes were useable after a bit of fettling. I will be machining a few and then measuring them again, a couple of days later after they have settled. 

I am doing a little bit each night to get my tooling together. Much as though I would love to do a day or two in one hit, that is not likely to happen at the minute.

As soon as I get them done I will shout up.

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That's fab Chris! I'd love to take some more off you for future proofing!
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While the battery was charging, I did this....and the mandrel .....and the finishing operations on the radius turning fixture, so busy, busy.


I might even get some more done tomorrow.LOL

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Could i do this myself ?

I'd love to have smooth gears and it looks fiddly rather than difficult

Not urgent so I'll wait til it warms up a tad but is it something i could do on my own? any specialist tools?


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?Do you mean the changing the balls or the machining?

You seem to be refering to the machining, well I now have some space again in the garage, so hopefully while it is not 'working outside weather' I will get them done in the next few weeks. I know it has been slow, but there are often more pressing issues. Unless you have a lathe and a fixture for turning radii to tenths of millimetres, then the answer is no.

The mechanical work on the van is easy, if awkward.
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Phew that is good news

I meant the installs ;)

As soon as you're ready i'd gladly and gratefully appreciate a couple

Over the cold period I've put on new discs and callipers, rewired the split and charge, changed all fluids and she's running fine other that fitting a new fuel pump and doing this job on the bushes and balls.

I've ordered the ball but I'll wait til you've done the bushes and hope that you're ok to post me a couple (of course i can send you the monies for your work)

It's the labour I was nervous about, and the resetting the position


Looking forward to having a smooth gearbox, engine and gearbox are all good so this will be the final job (for now)
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I did not have to reset anything, perhaps I was just lucky.Approve
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New fuel pump going on next week, i hope it solves my last issue (currently)

On the subject, would it hurt to swish my tank out with a degreaser and then hose and a hairdryer through on end to dry it out before putting back on

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