T5 174 exhaust manifold
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Topic: T5 174 exhaust manifold
Posted By: bovnet
Subject: T5 174 exhaust manifold
Date Posted: 29 Oct 13 at 13:37
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I have a 2006 174 2.5 auto with 34,000 miles and the pressed manifold has been welded and is on its way out again. Looking on ebay i see what looks like cast manifolds 2nd hand. Are these interchangable ? |
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Posted By: T5 TDI
Date Posted: 29 Oct 13 at 19:52
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No, the cast one doesn't fit. I'm going to be in the market for a tubular/welded manifold sooner or later. I have emailed all the fabricators I can find on the web but as far as I know nobody is making them. There certainly is a market for them! . If anyone knows of a source of sensibly priced aftermarket AXE/AXD exhaust manifolds I'd be interested. ------------- 2004 2.5 174 |
PP tuning were helpful and replied personally but said they are no longer making them. They did say that there was a possibility that a company in Holland were doing them but they didn't say who.
Posted By: bovnet
Date Posted: 30 Oct 13 at 08:39
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Bummer, and i take it posioning the occupants doesnt warrant a safety recall ? Whats the inferior vw part cost roughly ? "If anyone knows of a source of sensibly priced aftermarket AXE/AXD exhaust manifolds I'd be interested" Me too! |
Posted By: bananaman
Date Posted: 30 Oct 13 at 19:37
Cant be too long till Al is around here-surprised he hasnt added his thoughts to this one already! Anyhow while things are still going well i will say im interested in finding someone who makes a decent manifold as i think mine is cracked too  ------------- T5 T32 SWB Kombi 130ps |
Posted By: outbackski
Date Posted: 02 Nov 13 at 20:42
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Hi Guy's I live in Australia and have a 2006 multivan 2.5 TDI AXE with a stainless steel exhaust maNIFOLD, and am concerned about what I am reading regarding these manifolds. it appears that not some but all these manifolds will fail. My van has done 130000 klms with original manifold,if they are all going to fail surely Volkswagon have a responsibility here,for them to fail they must be poorly designed. is there anyone else out there with original manifold. ------------- Marc Cafarella |
Posted By: T5 TDI
Date Posted: 02 Nov 13 at 23:32
In my humble opinion you are right. 130,000 KM (about 81,000 miles) is poor for an item that should really last the life of the engine. I hereby nominate you to take VW to court in Australia, Europe and everywhere else and make them admit it!  ------------- 2004 2.5 174 |
outbackski wrote:Posted By: outbackski
Date Posted: 03 Nov 13 at 04:38
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If you would have read my post. , my manifold is ok I don't take kindly to your smart arxs reply !! ------------- Marc Cafarella |
Posted By: T5 TDI
Date Posted: 03 Nov 13 at 08:08
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The point is I doubt if VW will do anything about it unless they are sued and it's going to take someone with deep pockets because they are huge and we are small. Good luck to anyone who tries. They might like to take a few other items into consideration- Drive shafts, Camshafts, Turbos, intercoolers, Cylinder heads, Gearboxes, Rear springs, Wiring looms, ABS pumps, DPF sensors, A/C compressors and rear wheel bearings. I might have forgotten some.. For the record. My manifold is now badly warped and leaking fumes into the cab at 86,000 miles. ------------- 2004 2.5 174 |
Posted By: bovnet
Date Posted: 03 Nov 13 at 09:38
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outbackski if yours is the same it will fail. I suspect your climate is kinder. Mine a mere 31,000 miles, the vehicle originally doing 4 x 6 mile journeys a day for 2 years then its typical journey is a 25 miles round trip. All short use very few motorway runs. The other concern is the autobox also shot at < 35,000 miles. Although its coming up 7 years old the webasto parking heater failed 2 years ago, the aircon 3 years ago (leak at rear) and now the electric sliding doors. Piss poor for a vehicle i expected to last a minimum of 10 years at a cost of 3k/year depreciation. Costly motoring. I could have had a 2k hack every year thrown it away and saved money. My once in a lifetime chance at owning a new vehicle. Disappointed with it to say the least. Including wheelchair lift at £6,600 and excluding VAT i paid £36,600 for it. |
Posted By: Liquidfreak
Date Posted: 03 Nov 13 at 15:50
Outbackski, unless you have had a stainless steel exhaust manifold made for your van (which I doubt as we have tried to get a couple of companies in the UK to make them) the SS bit is the heat shield for the exhaust manifold. The manifold is actually a mixed alloy and can be welded with a MIG welder. ------------- 2004 VW T5 Panel Van T30 2.5 130 AXD Engine |
Posted By: outbackski
Date Posted: 03 Nov 13 at 16:15
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thanks Guy's,its bloody disappointing ,I guess my expectation was that buying and owning a VW was that I was getting a vehicle built to last,but I guess that there is no such thing. I wish I had sourced info from forums before I made the investment,now ,I guess one has to expect to replace all the items that you guys have mentioned and be prepared to be ripped off by mechanics,because in OZ, no one wants to works on them,and in my area the average cost for mechanical work is $110.00 aussie per hour......what a joke. I recon I will get rid of it now ,before it breaks me... ------------- Marc Cafarella |
Posted By: T5 TDI
Date Posted: 03 Nov 13 at 18:59
One good point is there are plenty out there with starship mileages. I saw a taxi the other day that was apparently approaching half a million miles. I've no idea how many bits were original but it's always good to see big mileage vans.  My problem is VW not admitting/fixing all poor design were it occurs. This is how you build a reputation. They will actually fix certain things, even things that don't affect safety sometimes but their criteria looks to be based on some kind of 'loss adjuster' mentality. It's a van, it needs to be reliable. I love my van but it still makes me nervous. It goes like a train and I suppose at almost ten years old I can't really complain, but 86k out of an exhaust manifold? I got twenty five years from new out of a 1985 Nissan Sunny. 44 MPG and no parts whatsoever replaced except the dashboard heater grille which my wife poked out with an umbrella in the first week! Come on VW. We expect better... ------------- 2004 2.5 174 |
Posted By: outbackski
Date Posted: 03 Nov 13 at 23:05
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Yea, I agree , come on Vw , Can you tell me what actually happens to the manifold , Does it warp and if so WHY !! It can, t be heat . I don't understand. . One would think that a steel exhaust should be better than cast . Could it be that steel bolted to alloy is the issue. ? I would like to understand WHY !! ------------- Marc Cafarella |
Posted By: T5 TDI
Date Posted: 04 Nov 13 at 07:49
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They usually fail by rusting through and cracking around the welds from what we hear on here. But also the flanges warp. On mine you can actually see a gap between the two flange bolts a feel it blowing. I think the metal is just too thin. And it certainly doesn't look impressive as a design. .  ------------- 2004 2.5 174 |
Posted By: outbackski
Date Posted: 04 Nov 13 at 18:10
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Thanks for the pic,is it a job that you can do yourself ? do you get at it from above or below ? I think I will see if there is any one in OZ who can manufacture.? |
Posted By: Alonline
Date Posted: 04 Nov 13 at 18:46
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Posted By: Liquidfreak
Date Posted: 04 Nov 13 at 19:58
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The walkthrough is here http://www.brick-yard.co.uk/forum/how-to-axd-manifold-and-turbo-removal_topic60735.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.brick-yard.co.uk/forum/how-to-axd-manifold-and-turbo-removal_topic60735.html Enjoy.
------------- 2004 VW T5 Panel Van T30 2.5 130 AXD Engine |
Posted By: outbackski
Date Posted: 05 Nov 13 at 06:53
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hey thank you for this detailed description of how to do the job..... I really appreciate it.  ------------- Marc Cafarella |
Posted By: stewi
Date Posted: 29 Nov 13 at 13:30
Did any one in |Uk find an aftermarket manifold mines snapped and am not really wanting to spend £440 on a genuine one that might break again!!!! ------------- T30 kombo 174 |
Posted By: Alonline
Date Posted: 02 Dec 13 at 09:46
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Anyone who has had a failure log it with VOSPA in the UK. Co poisoning is a serious matter.
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Posted By: Randello
Date Posted: 28 May 14 at 20:14
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I found a ductile cast iron replacement for £299 from this seller http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-EXHAUST-MANIFOLD-VW-TRANSPORTER-T5-VOLKSWAGEN-TRANSPORTER-T5-/191086724524?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Car+Make%3AVW&hash=item2c7da805ac
They have developed this because of this issue we are experiencing. I have just fitted one today to my 2006 T30 174 AXE and it is a nice quality piece of kit, way more substantial than the original. Just like you guys I didnt wanna fit the OEM one, not only because it is £140 more expensive, but because I didnt want it to happen again! On inspection of my original manifold it was cracked all around one port to the extent that the flange fell completely off when I removed the nuts. A further 3 ports were also cracked and propagating circumferentially. I am a jet engine engineer and have carried out many inspections and evaluations on combustion components. In my professional opinion these OEM manifolds are flawed and are not 'Fit for purpose'. Therefore rendering them open to a legal challenge!  |
Posted By: T5 TDI
Date Posted: 28 May 14 at 23:02
So how did it go Mr T?  Did you have to cut the heat shield as the instructions say? And more importantly did you take the rear engine mounting off. F***ing jet engineer indeed! ------------- 2004 2.5 174 |
Posted By: Randello
Date Posted: 29 May 14 at 00:54
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Easy, just use some tin snips. No need to remove rear engine mount. By the way there are such things as jet engines, in fact there are quite a lot of them thus there are such things as jet engine engineers, in fact quite a lot of them!!! |
Posted By: The Transporter
Date Posted: 29 May 14 at 15:34
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Hi T5..... Still not bought the manifold though I did contact the seller a little while ago... Been very busy, had to fit a new aircon compressor, condenser and radiator to the car and beefier suspension to the Jeep also been moving to a new workshop but the manifold is next on my list.... I chucked the old heat shield away years ago when I first welded the manifold.... From memory the entire job is much easier if you do remove the rear support.. Jet engines???? They're hardly rocket science...... ------------- 2004 174bhp AXE engine..... Belligerence has been confirmed. |
Posted By: T5 TDI
Date Posted: 29 May 14 at 21:16
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Sorry Randello but your post looked so dodgy I thought it was Transporter having a bit of fun! I still think it's dodgy, perhaps you are the seller of the ebay manifold drumming up some more business? If not, and I have wronged you perhaps you can introduce yourself and tell us a bit more about the job. You didn't mention your experiences of taking the turbo off for instance... ------------- 2004 2.5 174 |
Posted By: The Transporter
Date Posted: 29 May 14 at 22:15
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T5 Sir! I have been wronged and I demand satisfaction on the field of honour......Assuming my van makes it.... ------------- 2004 174bhp AXE engine..... Belligerence has been confirmed. |
Posted By: Randello
Date Posted: 01 Jun 14 at 20:40
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Hey Vanorak, I have nothing to prove and Im not the seller just someone who had a cracked manifold and wanted to share my solution. What's weird is why you're so suspicious? Even if I was the seller, this is about engineering and resolving some of the issues we have! P.S. No hard feelings though and I dont feel wronged!
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Posted By: triple
Date Posted: 01 Jun 14 at 22:32
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Well according to the ebay ad this manifold fits the axe/axd ( upto the end of 2006 without dpf ) and the bpc/bnz ( 2007 to 2010 with dpf ) i was under the impression that early pressed steel manifold and later cast manifold were not interchangable. ------------- Tornado red celtic mapped lwb 174 AXE. 2014 bmw s1000r. ktm 350 freeride 1975 yamaha rd350b |
Posted By: T5 TDI
Date Posted: 02 Jun 14 at 09:56
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It's a complete new thing triple. It's been made specifically so it can replace the rubbish steel one. It is a close fit though, that's why you have to chop the heat shield down in order to fit it. Randello- One of the things in your post that made me thing it wasn't genuine was that you said you had 'fitted one today' as if it were a headlamp bulb. No mention of all the hours removing the turbo, the awkward exhaust clamp etc.
Well, I should warn you I am an excellent shot Sir and there won't be any NHS treatment for another 250 years! ------------- 2004 2.5 174 |
Posted By: Randello
Date Posted: 02 Jun 14 at 22:07
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OK 'T5 TDI' (got yur name right now!). It took me about 6 hours and is a bastard back breaking job especially if you havent got a ramp! I had to work mostly underneath lying on my back with the van 'axle standed'. I didnt remove the rear eng mount but in hindsight it would have been easier. I had to remove the air box and the worse job was getting off(and on) the underside manifold exhaust stud nuts. This was because you need maximum reach and cant see FA. The exhaust does not need removing, just remove FT clamp from turbo and move exhaust down pipe out the way (it flexes enough). I also removed the EGR re-circ pipe etc from top of manifold. There is a lot more to it than this but these are the key points. The OEM time for this job is 2.5 hours but obviously that is in a garage with a ramp by experienced Mechies.
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Posted By: outbackski
Date Posted: 26 Oct 17 at 02:32
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well its now 2017 and I must tell my story .12 months ago I purchased an aftermarket cast manifold for my 06 t5 from the UK I had my mechanics attempt to fit it and it would not fit cost me about $1200 aussie dollars and I had to get original manifold welded. well the weld lasted about 12 mths and has cracked again ,so I bought one from Turkey and it looked exactly the same as the original .I got my mechanic again to fit but it would not fit ...each time before I purchased the manifolds I gave all my vehicle details to the seller and each one told me its a direct replacement and will bolt straight on...but they lied...that cost me another $1000.00 aussie dollars ....I now have to pay the VW tax and buy a genuine manifold at $1400.00 aussie plus fitting so another $500.00 ... I am over these overrated overpriced pieces of crap ....VW why the hell do people buy them ..VW should be run out of business and should take the responsibility that it IS THEIR FAULT ..FFS.. I WILL NEVER OWN ANOTHER VW AFTER THIS. and just to add salt to the wound my Auto gearbox stuffed up last year and vw told me that they don't have problems with any gearboxes its just wear and tear at another cost of $7000.00 Aussie dollars . ------------- Marc Cafarella |
Posted By: Onefut
Date Posted: 04 Dec 17 at 12:11
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Thats real bad luck outback I ordered mine off ebay for my 05 axe and it fitted with a little jiggleling ------------- God whispers in our soul & speaks to our heart. When we don't have time to listen, He has to throw a brick. It's our choice: Listen to the whisper or wait for the brick! 05 Shuttle SE 174 Auto LWB |
Posted By: outbackski
Date Posted: 04 Dec 17 at 19:23
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I don't know if the AXE in Australia is different but it has cost me dearly I recon I have spent over $2500 aussie dollars and I hope the replacement original manifold will last . My mechanic tells me that the vw replacement is strengthened around the flanges so that tells me that vw know that they stuffed up and it should be at their expense same as the auto gearbox thaT COST ME $6500 au as the part that needed to be replaced was made better than the original .... I would sell the multivan but it now owes me too much and the market here is not good ....now my cruise control is dropping out ...really what is going on... I have a 2008 Mitsubishi triton diesel dual cab and had it from new with no problems and it has same miles as vw 160000 klms..I will never buy a VW again..ever. Marc  ------------- Marc Cafarella |
Posted By: T5 TDI
Date Posted: 06 Dec 17 at 17:46
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I do agree with you about VW walking away from some faults which are clearly their crap design. The problem is if you look at other European van forums you find similar horror stories about other makes. The only thing is to vote with your feet but what else can you buy that will actually do what it is supposed to? Some folks have been tempted by the Hyundai iload.. I can't think why an Aussie AXE engine should be any different. The problem with the aftermarket manifolds is always the distance between the block/oil feed face and the EGR connection because the cast manifold doesn't have the benefit of a flexible EGR pipe which the original has. The clearance to slide the new manifold in is almost zero (you may remember I explained this in our pm's.) Which is why the trick with rope I mentioned is necessary. The only thing I can think of that would explain why yours was physically impossible to fit (and if I remember you had several different mechanics try) is if the head had been skimmed at some time. My Ebay manifold still fine a few years down the line but it was a real git to fit! I have had at least two other folks pm me about this problem. In the end, although I blame VW absolutely for the poor performance of the original manifold, on my completely standard unchipped van, you can't blame them for the poor fit of any aftermarket parts. I do feel your pain though. I was quite shocked when my brand new £22,000 van (in 2004) had to go back to the dealer more than 20 times under warranty. I remember back then it reminded me of the dark old days of British Leyland. Since then I can't really complain since apart from the manifold, a starter motor and battery, an oil switch plus a heater motor which needs surgery very soon it's been fine since then. I'm on 109,000 miles and just coming up to 14 years old. I must admit it does worry me when I read tales of cracked heads and ruined engines etc. Fingers crossed... ------------- 2004 2.5 174 |
Posted By: outbackski
Date Posted: 06 Dec 17 at 18:09
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thanks so much for your reply and yes the multivan really is great to drive and does everything I need it to do ,but I get so stressed that it will shit itself somewhere miles from home ..but now that I have invested so much money and time I have no option but to keep it ..and like you keep my fingers crossed .. I have read on the forum that the brake light switch could have something to do with my cruise control dropping out ...so I have ordered one and will see if it fixes the issue. Thanks Marc ------------- Marc Cafarella |
Posted By: T5 TDI
Date Posted: 06 Dec 17 at 19:09
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I've never been to Australia but if your van breaks down there it really could miles from anywhere! The cruise dropping out could be lots of things but the brake and clutch pedal switches are a good cheap start. If you have anyone near you with VCDS they can look at the CC system for fault codes and check the function of all of the switches on the stalk as well as the brake and clutch switches. If yours is randomly dropping out the J519 box under the dash or even the alternator can cause it if the voltage steps outside of what it should be. ------------- 2004 2.5 174 |
Posted By: outbackski
Date Posted: 07 Dec 17 at 01:30
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Yea, I have a brake switch on order that will be first thing I change. I have a cheap vehicle diagnostic tool for the VW and I have no faults on engine , auto ,ABS or air bag ...don't know if the VCC will be any better but I don't have or know of anyone with one ...I will investigate the J519 box whatever that is ...Google is my friend.. ------------- Marc Cafarella |
Posted By: T5 TDI
Date Posted: 07 Dec 17 at 10:22
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I think the switch positions relating to the cruise control can all be seen in the engine controller but it depends if your tool will show live data or just read codes. You can read my take on the J519 here - http://www.brick-yard.co.uk/forum/onboard-voltage-supply-unit-j519_topic92128.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.brick-yard.co.uk/forum/onboard-voltage-supply-unit-j519_topic92128.html Don't bother reading the following anyone if you have a low boredom threshold! I had some problems with an almost impossible voltage 17.7v (as read in the J519, which is called the Cent Elec controller or similar when using VCDS) plus an alternator fault code. I had had the CC dropping out occasionally for some time and it was always at the end of a long (250 + mile) journey. The J519 has a 'load sensing' function which as far as I can make out is to switch off any unnecessary consumers if the battery voltage gets low. Mine seemed to be switching on stuff because it would cause the idle speed to dip as (I think) it sought to get the alternator voltage back to spec. Anyway, the consensus was that I should replace the J519 but at £300 odd when I couldn't even prove there was anything wrong with it seemed wrong to me. In the end, I discovered that I could tell the van it wasn't equipped with the load sensing function buy re-coding. This cured the idle dipping and the CC drop outs, plus it stopped the fault code I was getting in the Cent Elec controller. A year on and I recently had one single event of the CC drop out. The CC came straight back but I think the fault is really with the alternator and I have simply masked the symptoms. I should say the max battery voltage l ever saw using a meter was 14.7. A bit high perhaps. I doubt if yours has the strange problem mine had but I'm just putting this out there in case anyone else comes this way.
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Posted By: Onefut
Date Posted: 11 Dec 17 at 12:56
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My switch has just failed an I've got a new one on order Started with cruise not working and the heater coil light flashing and now rear lights stuck on I stripped the switch but its caput so currently disconnected ------------- God whispers in our soul & speaks to our heart. When we don't have time to listen, He has to throw a brick. It's our choice: Listen to the whisper or wait for the brick! 05 Shuttle SE 174 Auto LWB |
Posted By: The Transporter
Date Posted: 13 Jan 18 at 00:55
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Crikey! Are you lot still letting the Germans gas you? I just thought that I'd drop in and see how everyone is.... It seems like it is a lifetime away since I waved my T5 good bye and I don't think that I miss the grief.. I opted for a Transit Custom, which has proven itself to be a little more reliable than the VW it's done 31k now and will be going back to the lease company shortly and except for one recall for a new oil filler cap and some braindead Mong in a Beemer running a red light and hitting me just behind the drivers door all has been good. Iwill probably buy my own in the Spring but to get me though the Winter I have my trusty DBT Doblo (Dog Box Turbo) an ex Taxi with almost 400K on the clock... It starts and moves and sometimes the brakes work.... ------------- 2004 174bhp AXE engine..... Belligerence has been confirmed. |
Posted By: T5 TDI
Date Posted: 13 Jan 18 at 06:17
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Yo Mr T! Pretty quiet around here these days. I have had my ebay cast iron manifold on for a few years now with no problems so no more gassing for me. My van is 14 now. I have a new door lock, temp sensor, ABS sensor and a heater resistor to fit but other than those it's been pretty good. ------------- 2004 2.5 174 |
Posted By: gregozedobe
Date Posted: 13 Jan 18 at 12:07
Yeah, I guess some of us are slow learners and/or just plain stubborn
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Posted By: T5 TDI
Date Posted: 13 Jan 18 at 16:25
I totally missed that one Mr T. Happily Greg is more awake. I blame it on the fact I am currently enjoying some R&R under the Red Sea. Got this shot today with my new Amazon £29 underwater camera which is amazing, it even does video. It's like a Go pro without the price.  ------------- 2004 2.5 174 |
Posted By: gregozedobe
Date Posted: 13 Jan 18 at 21:55
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Have Fun ! |
Posted By: The Transporter
Date Posted: 13 Jan 18 at 23:23
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Looks like you are having a good time T5, There is a lot of good stuff on the market without the big name price tag.... I have developed a deep dislike for big brand, big price gear but I guess some folk have more dough than sense... I recently did a search for my old van but it doesn't seem to be on the road any more, perhaps it sports a private plate to hide its age. The guy who bought it fits them out as campers and told me that it would have a new front end to update it.. ------------- 2004 174bhp AXE engine..... Belligerence has been confirmed. |