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Topic: T3 crap mirrors
Posted By: JAYFOR
Subject: T3 crap mirrors
Date Posted: 09 Aug 12 at 22:16
Is there any alternatives to use, coz im getting pissed off with the poor quality of repro's. Everytime i sut either front door they bloody move. Was thinking of going down the yank route
 
http://www.monsterautoparts.com/DODGE/VAN/dodge_van_mirrors.htm" rel="nofollow - http://www.monsterautoparts.com/DODGE/VAN/dodge_van_mirrors.htm
 
Any ideas/pics of alternatives before I get the drill outSmile



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Posted By: T3Panel
Date Posted: 09 Aug 12 at 22:24
Silly question, but have you tightened the nut?

There are many alternatives, some better than others, from genuine electric big mirrors, to corrado, syncro ones etc, I think rowlesy fitted Landy ones on his DOKA

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1990 T3 Atlantic
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Posted By: JAYFOR
Date Posted: 09 Aug 12 at 23:01
Yeah, keep tightening the nuts up till they snap, on my second pair now. tried to find NOS ones as some guys on the samba have advertised but on the pictures they are the same as the GSF ones. MuppetsUnhappy


Posted By: orcecaveman
Date Posted: 09 Aug 12 at 23:11
Have a word with andyvan, im sure he's got some good genuine used ones for sale.Wink

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Posted By: T3Panel
Date Posted: 09 Aug 12 at 23:13
I've got a set of genuine ones if you want them. Bit old obviously, but you can have them if you want to cover the postage and a beer token or two

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1987 T3 Panel 2.0 T3i!
1990 T3 Atlantic
1.8T Conversion sat on an engine stand waiting for spare time.


Posted By: rowlesy
Date Posted: 10 Aug 12 at 06:52
land rover defender mirrors! me and fatboy have em and there rock solid! my thinking was as i couldnt destroy em on my 90 they'd have an easy life on the doka/t3's.there at the back of my doka thread. i also have a load of brackets to make up if i ever get time!

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Posted By: Bigherbie
Date Posted: 10 Aug 12 at 09:33
Why don't you buy new ones from a VW dealer.

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Posted By: JAYFOR
Date Posted: 10 Aug 12 at 09:45
Thanks for the offers of used ones, but as my bus is quite clean (in my opinion) :-), I will look for clean/new ones.

I didn't realise VW still sold them new, will try calling VW commercial and see. Also will look at the Defender ones for looks. What year Defender mirrors are you using??
Thanks


Posted By: T3Panel
Date Posted: 10 Aug 12 at 11:04
Originally posted by JAYFOR JAYFOR wrote:

Thanks for the offers of used ones, but as my bus is quite clean (in my opinion) :-), I will look for clean/new ones


Don't blame you - that's exactly why I upgraded to big mirrors. Expensive though. Defender ones look pretty good, and think they are fairly cheap for new ones

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1987 T3 Panel 2.0 T3i!
1990 T3 Atlantic
1.8T Conversion sat on an engine stand waiting for spare time.


Posted By: JAYFOR
Date Posted: 10 Aug 12 at 12:18
Yeah just looked at some, trying not to drill more holes, but if it comes to it :-)


Posted By: rowlesy
Date Posted: 10 Aug 12 at 18:10
thats where the brackets come in! Wink

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Posted By: silverbullet
Date Posted: 10 Aug 12 at 18:47
Take a look at Jag XJ6 series 3 / XJ-S mirrors. Nice and square, chunky, electric. Shouldn't be too hard to mod a T3 mirror foot onto them as they have a similar mounting angle on the door. Would look nice and actually be of some use! Miles better than blobby 'rados.

PS Anyone wanna buy a pair of Corrado mirrors?


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Posted By: rowlesy
Date Posted: 10 Aug 12 at 20:23
binned my rado mirrors for the 90's! never go back!
 


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Posted By: fufflenarnia
Date Posted: 10 Aug 12 at 22:16
I broke my passenger mirror last week and bought a gsf replacement - what a pointless price of shit it is! Can't see a f#&king thing - annoying cost I'm off to France next week so will need it.

I like your landy ones Rowlsey - are the brackets of a landy 90 too?


Posted By: fatboy
Date Posted: 10 Aug 12 at 22:18
No, they are Rowlsey specials!

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'85 SA microbus
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Shit I need to sell some MORE cars!


Posted By: pothole dodger
Date Posted: 10 Aug 12 at 22:40
Got some LT brackets with brand new T3 mirror housing here, if your interested. They should fit straight on, my matey has same on his T3. No problem fitting them. £100


Posted By: cruz
Date Posted: 10 Aug 12 at 23:05
I've got LT mirrors too but the larger 4x4 version where the mirror can be swiveled through 360 degrees to level the mirror up as LT mirror arms to not sit perpendicular to a T3 body.

Before that I had repros, from Brickwerks, and one from GSF and they were fine. Both were Hagus

There are two types of repro mirror. Cheap and better quality. GSF sell both i.e one is £6 the other roughly £23


Posted By: JAYFOR
Date Posted: 10 Aug 12 at 23:58
Yup I did go for the £23 ones and one has now snapped and the others on max adjustment. I do like the landy ones tho but will also look at the jags :-) coolio, seems I'm not the only one then


Posted By: fufflenarnia
Date Posted: 11 Aug 12 at 09:12
Do the defender ones give a good wide viewing angle? - if so I think I will go that way ultimately, my local spares place has them complete for £12 each plus vat


Posted By: fatboy
Date Posted: 11 Aug 12 at 09:16
They have convex mirrors, it's fucking terrifying driving with them because you can see EVERYTHING behind you!!!!!

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'83 T3 westy
'85 SA microbus
Seat torpedo
68 buggy again!

Shit I need to sell some MORE cars!


Posted By: fatboy
Date Posted: 11 Aug 12 at 09:17
Especially when you've come from 'rado mirrors

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'83 T3 westy
'85 SA microbus
Seat torpedo
68 buggy again!

Shit I need to sell some MORE cars!


Posted By: max and caddy
Date Posted: 11 Aug 12 at 09:57
Syncro mirrors are the best thing going....you can see the back wheel going round as well as everything else behind you...also available heated! LT ones are usable but the lower bracket is spaced differently so some fiddling about is needed and the tube needs modifying as well, a set of genuine new syncro T3 mirrors can be found for £200 unheated.


I have a load of standard mirrors going cheap as well, but get syncro ones....you will never look back.....well you will but you will be able to see back whereas before you couldn't look back even if you wanted to.....see what I did there?


Posted By: fufflenarnia
Date Posted: 11 Aug 12 at 10:06
To quote the inbetweeners "brilliant"


Posted By: silverbullet
Date Posted: 13 Aug 12 at 14:24
Originally posted by rowlesy rowlesy wrote:

binned my rado mirrors for the 90's! never go back!
 
They do look the part, also fitted to awful Sherpa vans IIRC!  A bit like scaled-down factory wide-body Pritschenwagwen mirrors. Now if you could get the LT / 16" mirror base on it's own...


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Posted By: fragilecolin
Date Posted: 15 Jul 13 at 20:50
Hey Rowlesy, you got any brackets for these?

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Posted By: rowlesy
Date Posted: 15 Jul 13 at 21:10
yes buddy! I just need to stick them together! if you get some mirrors make sure you ask for the fixing screws as there imperial....land rover see....imp unf metric bsf...... all in there somewhere!LOL

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Posted By: fragilecolin
Date Posted: 15 Jul 13 at 21:20
Looks to my untrained eye that they are not handed, just need to swivel the mirror 180'?

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Posted By: fufflenarnia
Date Posted: 15 Jul 13 at 23:17
Yep, not handed.

Absolutely brilliant - like all good ideas, I though best to copy it!

Thanks Rowlsey!


Posted By: Vaniller
Date Posted: 16 Jul 13 at 14:47
Get a cheap mirror.
Cover the round bit of the mount in impact adhesive.
Sprinkle on sand.
Allow to dry.
Put together loosely and adjust on the van.
Tape it so it doesn't move.
Take off van and tighten.
Hey presto cheap mirror that shouldn't move.
But think the landy ones look good...

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Posted By: fragilecolin
Date Posted: 16 Jul 13 at 17:45
I am going for the landy ones cos they look good, they also show more of the line of admirers queuing up behind my bus when I pootle through the countryside LOL
 
Also, the GSF ones perish! The magic bit is already giving up and turning brown!


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Posted By: Allanw
Date Posted: 17 Jul 13 at 11:25
Originally posted by fatboy fatboy wrote:

They have convex mirrors, it's fucking terrifying driving with them because you can see EVERYTHING behind you!!!!!


That would have helped today, when I backed over a recycling bin, then dragged it onto the road..... can still smell burning plastic from the exhaust LOL


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'84 T3 Kombi, EJ25 DOHC, apprentice Viking...

Duct Tape can't fix stupid, but it can MUFFLE the sound.


Posted By: fragilecolin
Date Posted: 18 Jul 13 at 20:56
Lovely! Pair genuine mirrors bought from a local garage, £11:90 each and ye olde thread fixings bunged in for free Smile
How do I sort the brackets Mr Rolwsey?


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Posted By: Abyss
Date Posted: 07 Jan 14 at 00:07
I really need to do something...now I guess we could blame my bad driving..but seriously before owning this van Ive hit nothing..this van ive done all sorts..im not even going to say..

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98 VW T4 Transporter 1200 LWB 2.4TD - Syncro wannabe


Posted By: Dave307
Date Posted: 16 Jan 14 at 11:35
I have a problem similar to this in that each time I hit the dual carrigeway in my van my wings mirrors like to streamline themselves and close in, so all i can see is the floor or the drivers door.
 
Looking at an alternative.
Like the Idea of after market ones how easy are the brackets to make up and does any one have a template.


Posted By: nookie
Date Posted: 17 Jan 14 at 23:06
To start You have a Vw that gos fast enough to fold the mirrors in WOW   I drive a defender with standard mirrors a lot!!   a hell of a lot ( for a living to pay for my T3 !! ) and frankly the mirrors are great overall and IF YOU BREAK ONE !! easy and cheap to repear I drive for pleasure a T3 with the big mirrors ( caravelle ) and yes they are good but the defender ones are a lot cheaper !! if you break one .I had a T3 with standard mirrors before and they were frankly crap !! Couldn't see a great deal behind with them
Hope this helps
Mike

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Posted By: mrhutch
Date Posted: 18 Jan 14 at 00:14
another vote for the landy mirrors..



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Posted By: Abyss
Date Posted: 18 Jan 14 at 02:01
OK OK they look great...now divuldge,,all the info please! (Currently scouring eBay and the like..but im sure you have something better to say anyway)

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90 VW T3 Syncro Panel Stealth Camper

98 VW T4 Transporter 1200 LWB 2.4TD - Syncro wannabe


Posted By: fufflenarnia
Date Posted: 18 Jan 14 at 08:18
You need to make up brackets like these with a bit of rubber behind (old cycle inner tube is fine).



I picked up convex mirrors off eBay, cost about £35 all up.


Posted By: rowlesy
Date Posted: 18 Jan 14 at 08:56
and i make the brackets Thumbs Up

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Posted By: fufflenarnia
Date Posted: 18 Jan 14 at 09:04
And his are better than mine


Posted By: Titus A Duxass
Date Posted: 18 Jan 14 at 12:44
How much for the brackets mister?

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Posted By: rowlesy
Date Posted: 18 Jan 14 at 14:51
20 plus post

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Posted By: Titus A Duxass
Date Posted: 18 Jan 14 at 15:51
Cheers.

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Posted By: Titus A Duxass
Date Posted: 02 Dec 14 at 05:35
PM sent.


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Posted By: whereufromnosecity
Date Posted: 02 Dec 14 at 14:49
Like the landy mirrors, I suffer with the poor repros folding in at high speeds

If your still doing the brackets Mr Rowlesy i'll have a pair too


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Baywindow Camper slowly being bought back from the dead
Jetta TSI for the daily duties


Posted By: ELVIS
Date Posted: 04 Jan 15 at 13:21
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Fitted these Friday

Adapters from brother Dave, mirrors are larger defender ones (same as I had on my 130) think they are 6.25" x 10.25".

Whole lot came to a few quid over £50 for the mirrors and adapters. Bought a heated mirror kit for £28 at the same time and will be wiring these into an oe rear window demister/fogger switch.

Well fucking lush in'it!

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Posted By: booted
Date Posted: 05 Jan 15 at 20:37
think i will have to get a pair


Posted By: ELVIS
Date Posted: 05 Jan 15 at 20:48
Just chasing small and smelly to bed. Will put the link up for you in a bit Tony.

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Posted By: booted
Date Posted: 05 Jan 15 at 21:05
cheers


Posted By: ELVIS
Date Posted: 05 Jan 15 at 21:25
Large ones here (pic of them next to standard size ones)

http://www.paddockspares.com/pm752-door-mounted-mirror-defender-large-type-web-exclusive-special-offer.html

Heated mirror kit.

http://www.paddockspares.com/defender-heated-mirror-kit.html

Holes are already in door from factory anyway (holes between the mirror mounting screw)

Rowlsey does the adapters and TBH, the way he makes/finishes them, it's not worth fucking about and borrowing Hutches Pigeon Shit 3000 steam welder

Perfect fit, holes arnt pissed and they even come counter sunk!

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Posted By: booted
Date Posted: 05 Jan 15 at 21:37
Cheers Elvis, are they the same mirror fits both sides?  Will give Rowlsey a shout


Posted By: booted
Date Posted: 05 Jan 15 at 21:38
Rowlsey are you making adaptors when you get time? put me down on your list for a pair please


Posted By: fufflenarnia
Date Posted: 05 Jan 15 at 21:47
I have standard ones, and they are brilliant, a little convex so you get a good view, but now I have mirror Jealousy! Elvis, are they convex too?


Posted By: booted
Date Posted: 05 Jan 15 at 22:13
just ordered a pair of standard sized ones.


Posted By: ELVIS
Date Posted: 05 Jan 15 at 23:02
Ever so slightly convex chap.

They arnt handed, just spin around on the ball fitting.

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Posted By: rowlesy
Date Posted: 06 Jan 15 at 17:05
end of jan i'll get some more plate and make another batch up. even sold my original ones off my bus now!Embarrassed

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Posted By: booted
Date Posted: 06 Jan 15 at 17:49


Posted By: rowlesy
Date Posted: 03 Feb 15 at 17:36
adaptors are ready! i'll go through my pms and let you all know! Thumbs Up

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Posted By: booted
Date Posted: 03 Feb 15 at 18:38


Posted By: booted
Date Posted: 03 Feb 15 at 18:39
Perfect timing


Posted By: pistonbrokedubs
Date Posted: 04 Feb 15 at 19:25
Like the look of the defender mirrors mine are terrible to always moving.just dont know if i wanna drill more holes

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Posted By: Bromy
Date Posted: 04 Feb 15 at 19:49
I think thats the joy of these adapters. you dont need to drill any more holes!

Some one will correct me if im wrong


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Posted By: rowlesy
Date Posted: 04 Feb 15 at 20:07
no drilling whatsoever! i'd had enough bodges on my bus! the extra hole in my pic was from the raddo mirrors!

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Posted By: booted
Date Posted: 09 Feb 15 at 15:03
Got my brackets . Thanks what size is the thread in the mirror? I need to get some bolts / screws


Posted By: rowlesy
Date Posted: 10 Feb 15 at 18:23
1/4" unf

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Posted By: booted
Date Posted: 10 Feb 15 at 19:53
Thanks bolts orderd


Posted By: surf dude
Date Posted: 14 Feb 15 at 01:30
Funny, my experience of Landy mirrors on land rovers is pants! Maybe that's just the Army ones! I'll have a pair of brackets if you still have some rowlsey please.

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Posted By: rowlesy
Date Posted: 14 Feb 15 at 21:02
u wana pm me fella Thumbs Up

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Posted By: ELVIS
Date Posted: 14 Feb 15 at 21:12
I ordered UNF bolts but when me mirrors came from paddocks they were M6 (i think, maybe M5). definitely metric though.

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Posted By: booted
Date Posted: 15 Feb 15 at 09:41
I ordered unf bolts. Thet fit. Just need to tiidy up the brackets a little and throw a bit of paint on em
I got the smaller mirrors maybe the bigger ones are metric?
Seems odd


Posted By: rowlesy
Date Posted: 15 Feb 15 at 14:25
trouble with land rover is they used whatever they had to get stuff built back in the day and they havent shrugged it off yet! then part suppliers have there own take on l-r parts. i thought they were m6 when i got my first set and just assumed the treads were shit - took a genuine set off a 110 and took them to a fastener wholesalers and found imperial threads fitted fine! they fit originally on door hinges held on by m8 bolts? LOL

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Posted By: booted
Date Posted: 18 Feb 15 at 23:11
Fitted them this afternoon
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Posted By: booted
Date Posted: 18 Feb 15 at 23:13
Holes didnt quite line up
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Posted By: booted
Date Posted: 18 Feb 15 at 23:14
So i made spacers out of 6mm nylon sheet
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Posted By: Bromy
Date Posted: 18 Feb 15 at 23:15
How many wagons you got booted LOL

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Posted By: booted
Date Posted: 18 Feb 15 at 23:24
3


Posted By: booted
Date Posted: 18 Feb 15 at 23:26
Trouble is every time i get one gee indoors goes and gets another dog


Posted By: Bromy
Date Posted: 18 Feb 15 at 23:29
Not planning on any more then Wink

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Posted By: booted
Date Posted: 18 Feb 15 at 23:40
Err...
No
Better not


Posted By: Bromy
Date Posted: 18 Feb 15 at 23:55
LOL

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Posted By: booted
Date Posted: 19 Feb 15 at 10:17
I took the doka to work today and spent more time looking in my new mirrors than is healthy


Posted By: rowlesy
Date Posted: 19 Feb 15 at 18:25
wonder if theres any difference between doors? they all get fitted to my doka after i make them? i made a jig to build them off and all fit well? 

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Posted By: booted
Date Posted: 19 Feb 15 at 18:39
That might explain it. Mines an early one. It was an easy fix


Posted By: booted
Date Posted: 19 Feb 15 at 18:39
Maybe my doors have more coats of paint than i thought


Posted By: boxer998
Date Posted: 22 Feb 15 at 17:34
Fitted my defender mirrors yesterday, along with the power steering both upgrades worth doing. Started to fit the quick shift kit but mines a jx so the raised floor was a surprise.


Posted By: Arthur Sweden
Date Posted: 23 Feb 15 at 11:51
Anyone else have a problem with the glare of the lights behind at night? I find it a big issue on dark roads. I have the standard T3 mirrors. Are the Defender mirrors any better for reducing glare or is blue tint the best solution?


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Posted By: booted
Date Posted: 23 Feb 15 at 20:40
Ive never had a problem with glare


Posted By: Arthur Sweden
Date Posted: 27 Feb 15 at 12:52
Do you mean from the Defender ones or the original ones or both Booted? Thumbs Up


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So Far, new seats, new wood floor, new rear bearings, new front upper arm bushes, new steering rack, new clutch master cylinder....


Posted By: booted
Date Posted: 02 Mar 15 at 21:39
Originals . Not driven with the defender ones at night yet


Posted By: boatbuilder
Date Posted: 22 Jan 17 at 13:39
So what defender mirrors size do people recommend? Standard size or the bigger ones?


Posted By: fufflenarnia
Date Posted: 22 Jan 17 at 13:53
Standard are fine, not tried large, not sure they are necessary.


Posted By: rowlesy
Date Posted: 23 Jan 17 at 20:46
Originally posted by boatbuilder boatbuilder wrote:

So what defender mirrors size do people recommend? Standard size or the bigger ones?

standard 90 or 110 are plenty big enough.there curved from to to bottom so you'll see lots more than standard. Thumbs Up


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Posted By: Dropchip
Date Posted: 23 Jan 17 at 21:35
Rowlesy, do you still make these brackets bud?


Posted By: boatbuilder
Date Posted: 23 Jan 17 at 22:00
Thanks, I've ordered a set of standard ones.


Posted By: Ian the maxter
Date Posted: 19 Feb 17 at 12:51
Hi mate do you have any of the defenders brackets available to buy please
Cheers ian


Posted By: mrhutch
Date Posted: 19 Feb 17 at 16:51
he's just been round to me..  yes drop him a PM

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Posted By: rowlesy
Date Posted: 19 Feb 17 at 20:43
message me and we'll sort em out chap Thumbs Up

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Posted By: DCeese
Date Posted: 15 Mar 17 at 07:40
Could I have some brackets please??


Posted By: rowlesy
Date Posted: 15 Mar 17 at 20:13
message works best! pm'd you dceese....... Thumbs Up

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Posted By: Red Westie
Date Posted: 16 Mar 17 at 14:01
Indeed

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