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Topic: Power steering conversion
Posted By: Aspo13
Subject: Power steering conversion
Date Posted: 04 Mar 09 at 09:07
Is it possible to retro fit PAS to an 85 T3?
 
I've just bought a Gipsy and it is a little heavy for the missus to steer!  Compared to the Bluestar that we've got its like a tank and I wondered if its possible to install it on the Gipsy.
 
If I can, is it easy to source the bits and what sort of cost are we looking at?
 
Cheers
 
Aspo


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Posted By: Surfrider
Date Posted: 04 Mar 09 at 19:37
Fitting power steering to your van is a relatively simple and straight forward exercise. Obtaining a right or left hand drive power steering rack will be the only hurdle. They are about, however available at a price.  NW_VW is flogging a RHD kit at £ 750 in the for sale section. LHD seem to be available at a slightly more acceptable price.

I paid £ 350 for a pump, reservoir, reconditioned rack but no pipe work about 3 years ago. Spent another £ 80 on hydraulic hose and fluid.

Took a day for me to fit. I'd say it was the best mod I have completed on the van. I have 235mm tyres and a Gti steering wheel and turning at low speed is a piece of piss.   

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Posted By: lister
Date Posted: 05 Mar 09 at 18:23
I would contact ZF uk direct i've been told they are more reasonably priced from them


Posted By: Big red bus
Date Posted: 05 Mar 09 at 19:57
LHd set up for sale on 80-90 . Cheap aswell at £450 for complete lot.


Posted By: Skeeb
Date Posted: 05 Mar 09 at 20:42
Originally posted by lister lister wrote:

I would contact ZF uk direct i've been told they are more reasonably priced from them


ZF   !!!   PPHHH !!!   TRW is the way to go man !!!!


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Posted By: Aspo13
Date Posted: 06 Mar 09 at 10:13
Thanks for letting me know there's one for sale, I've checked and he says its for petrol engines, not diesels? Don't know whether it matters and presume its to do with the pulleys that power the pump?
 
Can someone enlighten me as to the difference between ZF and the other one mentioned please cos I haven't a clue.
 
Ta


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Posted By: Skeeb
Date Posted: 06 Mar 09 at 12:52
Originally posted by Aspo13 Aspo13 wrote:

Thanks for letting me know there's one for sale, I've checked and he says its for petrol engines, not diesels? Don't know whether it matters and presume its to do with the pulleys that power the pump?
 
Can someone enlighten me as to the difference between ZF and the other one mentioned please cos I haven't a clue.
 
Ta


They both manufacture power steering gears/systems as well as other automotive parts - i work for TRW so ZF is one of our competitors! thats all


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Posted By: Ron.Jeremy
Date Posted: 06 Mar 09 at 19:22
Did TRW make the T3 rack? Original T3 racks are made by ZF ?

 I contacted ZF UK and they told the T3 power rack is now obsolete. I've got a LHD rack that needs re-con and JX Td pump/pulley/brackets if you are interested? Also WBX pulley/pump available.PM please.


Posted By: VW Nerd
Date Posted: 06 Mar 09 at 22:06
I converted both my rhd petrol t3 and lhd diesel t3 to electric powered column from a vauxhaul. Well worth the trouble and I now dont know how I managed with heavy standard stearing.
If you are ever in bristol give me a shout for a test drive. The system I built is also road speed sensitive so you only get power when parking or moving slowly.


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Posted By: ben50
Date Posted: 07 Mar 09 at 13:00
Hi Tim,

how easy is the electric conversion? Sounds like an interesting/cheaper way to go. might it be easier for an air cooled T3?

Cheers,

Ben


Posted By: Skeeb
Date Posted: 07 Mar 09 at 17:16
Originally posted by Ron.Jeremy Ron.Jeremy wrote:

Did TRW make the T3 rack? Original T3 racks are made by ZF ?


i'm not saying TRW made the steering gear - i was just 'knocking' ZF - thats all


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Posted By: VW Nerd
Date Posted: 07 Mar 09 at 19:27
Electric power steering conversion is very straight forward to install. I need to order some more parts to build road speed sensor. The kit is a diy job if you have good mechanical knowledge. If not I can build and fit the kit for you. No probs for air cooled.

A shot of work in progress


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Posted By: Ghia
Date Posted: 07 Mar 09 at 22:50
http://www.rjes.com/ - RJES have almost finished their bolt on electric power steering kit.
Check out http://www.rjes.com/ - RJES here
I'm not sure if Richard has posted anything up on the website on this yet but he's a very helpful chap over the phone and it's well worth a phonecall.
MG


Posted By: Skeeb
Date Posted: 07 Mar 09 at 23:41
has anyone had one of these 'column asisst' conversions and run them for a significant amount of time/mileage????????????

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Posted By: VW Nerd
Date Posted: 08 Mar 09 at 10:41
By column assist, do you mean an electric powered column?
As above I have fitted them to both of my vans and am awaiting parts to build a few more set ups for some of the local t3 owners.
Well worth having.
I drove a non assisted van the other day and couldn't believe how heavy std steering is when parking.
The parts are easily swapped from std to assisted.
I have been running mine for 6 months now.
Tim


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Posted By: Big red bus
Date Posted: 08 Mar 09 at 12:12

Do you have any rough ideas of the cost to put this power steering  onto a van? Also what do you charge to make them up and fit if you are interested in doing  that. Thanks,

Dan.


Posted By: Skeeb
Date Posted: 08 Mar 09 at 12:45
Originally posted by VW Nerd VW Nerd wrote:

By column assist, do you mean an electric powered column?
 
 
Yep - electric column asisst....


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Posted By: VW Nerd
Date Posted: 08 Mar 09 at 13:02
I estimate the cost to build and fit epas (electric power assisted steering) to be about £400 with road speed sensing included.

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Posted By: Aspo13
Date Posted: 08 Mar 09 at 21:30
All sounds good to me, but because I struggle to wire up the back lights on a bus can you give me a quick run down on the differences between the 'normal' PAS and the version that you've come up with.
 
Really want it on the bus just need to get my head round how it works!
 
Thanks


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Posted By: VW Nerd
Date Posted: 08 Mar 09 at 22:57
Factory vw PAS has a hydraulic pump mounted to the engine with hoses running to the front of the van which join to the hydraulic power rack.
epas is a powered steering column that uses a motor directly onto the steering column, no hydraulic lines, no pumps no oil. Just wires a motor and an ecu.
The ecu collects info from sensors fitted to the vehicle and give assistance at low speed when the engine is running and the battery has enough power to drive the motor.
I hope this gives a slight insight.
Tim.


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Posted By: Aspo13
Date Posted: 09 Mar 09 at 09:15
Definately gives me an idea.
 
I assume then for the conversion there'd be no messing around with pulleys at the back of the bus, plus front to back lines etc so it would be easier to fit and a lot less messing around with parts?
 
Also how big does the electric motor need to be and where abouts do you mount it?
 
Thanks


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Posted By: VW Nerd
Date Posted: 09 Mar 09 at 09:31
If you are able to view the photo I posted of my rhd bus the answer is there for you regarding the motor size.
And yes you are right,no mods such as pipes, pulleys, PAS t3 rack, PAS steering coupler or pas stub axles.
Yes very easy to fit!


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Posted By: Wald0
Date Posted: 09 Mar 09 at 11:35
That looks nice!! so where can i order parts? or do i need to do them my self?? :) i was planing to but normal power steering on my van but that electronic looks nicer and meaby more easy.


Posted By: VW Nerd
Date Posted: 09 Mar 09 at 19:18
Posting parts to Finland might make the total price including postage very expensive.
Tim


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Posted By: southern scouse
Date Posted: 09 Mar 09 at 20:05
hi just fitted the same system as vw nerd to my crew cab as a test bed for fitting to my gipsey my conrol for assistance is a manual KNOB like a volume control how can i make it speed regulated  engine in gipo is 1.9 dg   cheers

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Posted By: VW Nerd
Date Posted: 09 Mar 09 at 20:50
You need to fit a vehicle road speed sensor. the one I use, fits over the rear cv joint with an inductive pick up mounted to the gear box case.
I am waiting for new stock from my supplier if you want to use this system!


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Posted By: ROB1N
Date Posted: 09 Mar 09 at 21:37
What vauxhall is the the power steering from cheers rob

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Posted By: VW Nerd
Date Posted: 09 Mar 09 at 21:40
Corsa!

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Posted By: lister
Date Posted: 09 Mar 09 at 22:53
I need this in my bus, so the dragon can drive and i get to relax hehehe
Keep us updated on parts and i'll buy some as soon as they are in.
 
Rob


Posted By: TransPorscher
Date Posted: 09 Mar 09 at 23:54
I've driven one of Tim's buses with this system on and it's actually better for parking than the original T3 PAS. Therefore I'm weighing in all my RHD power racks!!! LOL

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Posted By: Aspo13
Date Posted: 10 Mar 09 at 09:51
I think you'd better count me in on a kit. Could you put one together and post it up north to me?
My uncle is a mechanic so as long as he has an idea of whats involved we can fit it ourselves.
What would the cost be for all the bits in kit form if your willing to do it this way?
 
 


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Posted By: niko
Date Posted: 11 Mar 09 at 19:40
this looks like the answer to many peoples prayers....seems simple enough concept.
 
more details ClapClapClap


Posted By: VW Nerd
Date Posted: 11 Mar 09 at 21:16
No longer a concept, but a reality!
What do you need to know?
Tim


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Posted By: ben50
Date Posted: 11 Mar 09 at 21:38
I'm very interested in this, especially for when I get my alloys on later this year.

Approx how much do the parts come to if I was going to fit myself? Are they the sort of bits I could easliy get from a scrapyard? Money is rather tight at the moment, and plenty of worthwhile things to spend it on before the van! 


Posted By: VW Nerd
Date Posted: 11 Mar 09 at 22:20
It is not the simple case of fitting parts straight from a donor car, there is some cut and shut needed with some careful fabrication of mounting brakes. Then there is the fitting of the vehicle road speed sensor, a part which I can supply!
Tim.


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Posted By: niko
Date Posted: 12 Mar 09 at 08:14
same as the last post really....
do you plan to offer this as a ready to go kit. is it an easy DIY fit. have you any indication of a price.
I have seen a similar thing on some of the mini forums...so as you say more reality than concept.
 
I was toying with the idea of getting a LHD PS rack and all the bits so that my wife feels happier driving....is this a better, cheaper, easier alternative upgrade.
 
Cheers
Keith


Posted By: Aspo13
Date Posted: 12 Mar 09 at 09:34
So, can you put together the kit together to sell or not?
 
Please can I be at the front of the queue, it was my thread after all LOL.
 
Judging by the interest its generated I think VW Nerd is going to be busy this year.
 
Please can you let us know.


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Posted By: VW Nerd
Date Posted: 12 Mar 09 at 18:11
Originally posted by VW Nerd VW Nerd wrote:

I estimate the cost to build and fit epas (electric power assisted steering) to be about £400 with road speed sensing included.

I will get a few kits up together, It will be on a first come, first serve basis!

I guess half a dozen will be enough to get the ball rolling!

Tim


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Posted By: Aidan
Date Posted: 15 Mar 09 at 10:06
Tim
I hope you have good liability insurance cos in the event of an accident the non collapsible nature of the set up might be a problem, safer to use an electric pump and proper t3 ps rack and the standard column ands linkages imho.
Be interested what the insurance company thought of the mod, I appreciate that yours is mega modded but didn't they ask for an engineers report for this conversion ?


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Posted By: Tee3
Date Posted: 15 Mar 09 at 10:19
Thats the only thing that stopped me asking about this kit.

I'm sure any major non OE parts fitted to the steering system would raise some eyebrows at insurance time?
Its a great Idea, but i'm waiting til I can afford OE bits. And mines a left hooker so there are lot more bits out there



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Posted By: VW Nerd
Date Posted: 15 Mar 09 at 20:53
I hope that you only use std vw wheels on your bus's with std vw springs, and shun the thought of using wheel adaptors.
Total suicide!
Lighten up guys, embrace the mod'ed T3. Be thankful that the communist state of England has not put a total stop to people modifying their vehicles just yet.
I hope that those of you who fit vw power steering to a non power steering bus's get an engineers report, it might help you to sleep and night!
Tim.



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Posted By: Tee3
Date Posted: 15 Mar 09 at 22:22
Originally posted by VW Nerd VW Nerd wrote:

I hope that you only use std vw wheels on your bus's with std vw springs, and shun the thought of using wheel adaptors.
Total suicide!
Lighten up guys, embrace the mod'ed T3. Be thankful that the communist state of England has not put a total stop to people modifying their vehicles just yet.
I hope that those of you who fit vw power steering to a non power steering bus's get an engineers report, it might help you to sleep and night!
Tim.



Fact is, my insurance company know about my springs. They know about the adaptors. they know about the wheels. They dont have issues with any of it.
There is no reason why you should need an engineers report for a system from OE parts.

Nobody is knocking this system, but there will be issues with the insurance if you tell them you cobbled a home brew assisted steering system to it that you bought off some bloke on the internet.

Sourcing the parts yourself and putting it all together is one thing, but when you start marketing it as a kit, then you could be on dodgy ground if something does go wrong.
Like I say, no-one is knocking the system, just pointing out that there could be issues. Better to be upfront about it from the outset isnt it?



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Posted By: Baxter
Date Posted: 16 Mar 09 at 00:20
Deffo in the realms of product liability insurance if you ask me!
I appreciate that the column has been tested and deemed safe in the car it came from, but steering columns are potential killers in an accident, hence why they collapse inside theirselves, but without going and crashing a few then your never gunna know.
Dodgy ground if you ask me Tim.


Posted By: B1GVUU
Date Posted: 22 Apr 09 at 22:59
any news on the speed sensor kit i could do with two of them asap just need the speed sensor parts though not the column got that sorted
cheers john


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Posted By: VW Nerd
Date Posted: 25 Apr 09 at 22:57
I am still trying to get the speed sensor ring part of the system made up (in China)

Not best pleased with the rate of progress I am looking to find a uk manufacturer to make things easier!

Keep in touch

Tim


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Posted By: B1GVUU
Date Posted: 26 Apr 09 at 10:25
Thanks Tim will have to put the manual adjust one on for now until you get hold of any
cheers John


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Posted By: rjes
Date Posted: 27 Apr 09 at 03:30
Hello brick-yard folks,
    As somebody above mentioned I am also working on an direct electric steering assistance system. I have had prototypes installed in my daily driver Syncro (complete with 255 tyres to give it a thorough test) for 16 months. The system currently installed is the third (and hopefully final) prototype of the mechanical side of the installation. The testing has gone very well so far.
     My system is fully speed sensitive, as I consider a dash adjustable fixed rate of assistance (like the control modules available on the internet) dangerous, having tried them. If you turn dash adjustable, fixed rate assistance up when parking, then turn out of the car park on to a dual carriageway without turning it down, you could literally spin the wheel with your little finger at 60mph if you tried, with no feedback through the steering at allI spent a lot of time trying to find a single fixed amount of assistance which is acceptable at both high and low speeds, and there simply isn't one. Im my system, shape of the speed / assistance curve is adjustable, within limits, to allow it to be set to suit your tyres and preferences. It won't allow you to adjust it to give massisve amounts of excessive assistance reletive to the speed. I may also do a preset version, set to suit a typical T3 installation in which the owner does not want to treat the setting as an experiment. I need to do a bit more experimenting with preset versions before making the decision.
     I have tested all the electrical failure modes I can think of such as loss of input signals, etc, and the system responded in a very controlled way in each case, with the effects on driveability less severe than if the belt snapped on a hydraulic power steering system.
 
     As with all my produsts, the design philisophy is to achieve the closest possible quality to an OEM installation (especially for something as critical as steering), but in a way which is suitable for low volume manufacture. My installation features two seperate fully collapsible sections, one in the upper and one in the lower column sections (there is only one in the original VW installation). All torque transmitting joins in the system are splined (no welds, etc), and are designed and manufactured by OEM steering specialists. I also have product liability insurance for my products, including the power steering project. I suspect that my insurers will rule out exports of the steering system to the US though. I suggest that anyone manufacturing any kind of safety critical product without product liability cover probably ought to do a product liability course to find out why having cover should be within their interests.
    Once I have finished developing and productionising the system, I will be offering a complete kit, which will comprise of the EPAS unit, the control electronics, the speed sensor system, a cowl to hide the system away under the dash, a wiring harness, and full instructions. LHD and RHD kits will be available. The RHD kit will be a true 'bolt-on' installation, and the LHD kit will require some minor, but unavoidable trim mods. Installation of the complete kit would take just a few hours, and will easily suited to a moderately competent DIYer. I may also sell the speed sensitive, calibratable control system seperately, for use in non VW applications.
 
    This is very much a project which I am fitting in the development work for as and when, around my Subaru conversion products work, which usually keeps my busy for more hours per week than I would ideally choose to work. Therefore I don't have any 'available by' dates. It is not 'just around the corner'. I would estimate that 85% of the work is done, with the remaining 15% being productionising the electronics and harness, and finishing the development of the cowl moulding. I have sourced suppliers for all but two (hopefully relatively simple) components.
    There will be no info on http://www.rjes.com/ - www.rjes.com about this power steering products until they are available, and I'm afraid I am not going to be answering technical questions about how parts of it work. Someone has already taken advantage of my previous willingness to discuss why speed sensitive assistance is necessary and the details of how my system works. Having already had one of my Subaru conversion products copied, I now discuss the engineering behind my products with very very few people I'm afraid, especially before they are in production. I'm really sorry if this makes me seem paranoid, but I object to others benefiting from my work.
      I have a growing mailing list of potential customers for the power steering system, and I will be sending information to those on the list up front, nearer the time.


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Posted By: Ghia
Date Posted: 28 Apr 09 at 18:21
Good info Rjes, especially on the collapsible sections for safety and OEM parts... looking forward to seeing this kit on the market.
 
MG


Posted By: VW Nerd
Date Posted: 28 Apr 09 at 22:38
Hi all with an interest in epas (electric power assisted steering)
I will be at Van West next weekend with the power steering system fitted to my van if anyone wants to come and have a look at it and a chat about what is involved in converting your bus.
Also anyone is welcome to call me if you're down in the Bristol area for a look!
Tim.


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Posted By: eatcustard
Date Posted: 29 Apr 09 at 08:24
Rjes

I will be getting one from you, when its ready.


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Posted By: silverbullet
Date Posted: 25 Jun 09 at 12:52
Originally posted by VW Nerd VW Nerd wrote:

I estimate the cost to build and fit epas (electric power assisted steering) to be about £400 with road speed sensing included.
 
Hi  - another newbie here,
 
I've been getting stuck into our new bus (obsessively) and this job is top of the list.
 
VW Nerd - Your work looks really good so at this price put me down for a kit right now!
Contact me direct or via forum.
 
Got to get this sorted asap so that mem'sahib can drive me home when past my best of an evening...


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Posted By: VW Nerd
Date Posted: 25 Jun 09 at 14:15
I now have all parts in stock for electric power assisted steering epas, this also includes parts used for the vehicle road speed sensor. This part is used to adjusts the assistance given to the steering for different road speeds. This gives light steering while parking and a firm stiffer feeling when driving at speed.
I look forward to hearing from any one who would like to try or buy a system.

Tim.


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Posted By: garry247
Date Posted: 12 Jul 09 at 23:58
how much for the kit.

Thanks,

Garry


Posted By: T3ADICT
Date Posted: 13 Jul 09 at 03:17
just to chuck a big spanner in the works...lol
 
i spend way to much time in breakers yards but see the underside if many a car..  i personaly would rather try to find a conventional PAS rack that could be modded to fit a t3.. then use a pug 106/saxo electric pump.
 
to me half the thing i love about my van's is i can DIY it.. and do it safely.. the reason i can do this is the vans are quite simple..
now i can see why a mini with huge power might be better with an electric system as there was never much space in a min's engine bay and if its got a vtec lump in ther for eg there is even less.
 
there are so many cars/vans out there running a standard PAS system why not try to find a rack that would be easily modded onto a T3.
 
look at it this way.
alternative oil type power rack would posibly require
custom track rods. new holes for mounting to the underside. custom linkage from the standard stearing linkage.  an electric pump/hoses. 12 volt feed.
 
electric pas
a fair number of new column parts custom made, the column speed sensor/ cable/sensor ring. new column shroud. control unit, power feed to control unit. loom. adaptors for the steering wheel,stalks ignition system.
you also have to find more space to fit the control unit.
 
 
there are more custom parts that go into the electric pas system. thus more cost and complication.
keep it simple... makes life easy...
 


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WHY T3's.... because they are just so adictive, and having one just aint enough


Posted By: VW Nerd
Date Posted: 13 Jul 09 at 09:31
Just to remove a big spanner from the works.

Fitting and using a pre built epas system with vehicle road speed sensor and pre made wiring loom is very straight forward and can be fitted in a morning if you have reasonable mechanical knowledge. One important fact about the epas kit I make is that it uses the std T3 steering wheel and wiper/indicator stalks so no unnecessary wiring to contend with or replacement steering wheel needed.

Another point, with some minor cutting to the cowl that covers the underside of your factory steering column this can also be reused keeping the whole instal very neat and tidy.

I am selling complete kits for £300 at the moment and can supply and fit kits for £400

The great thing about the people involved in the VW T3 scene is that there are some great innovators out there and there is more than one way to skin a cat so to speak. I have seen so many good modifications out there and praise any one who has the imagination and drive to bring these concepts into reality.

If you think that electric power steering pumps and power racks are better than a column powered by an electric motor then there is nothing stopping you putting such a system together. Best of luck to you guys.

Fiat, MG and General motors to name but a few started using electrically powered columns on there cars. So why not use tried and tested modern technology-No pipes-pumps-oil leaks or rusty pipes to replace.
Just fit the column into your bus with the loom supplied and job done! You decide.
Tim


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Tim Shettle
www.ultimate-engineering.co.uk
Bristol

Tel/txt 07810 320 464

AFN TDI Panel Van


Posted By: VW Nerd
Date Posted: 13 Jul 09 at 09:53
If any one has epas on their bus already and wants to fit vehicle road speed sensing I can offer a kit with the parts needed to convert from the dash mounted control module.

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Developing parts for the VW T3 TDI market Inc flipped audi gearbox install parts.

Tim Shettle
www.ultimate-engineering.co.uk
Bristol

Tel/txt 07810 320 464

AFN TDI Panel Van


Posted By: silverbullet
Date Posted: 13 Jul 09 at 10:21
Just to help this discussion along: if anyone's got any doubts about epas, there's a firm based at Silverstone called GTC engineering (no connection to me) who offer this system for Aston Martin cars, which are rather more costly to put right in the event of a mishap than our buses. Their owners probably aren't averse to phoning their solicitors, either.
They use the system because it is simple, self-contained and unobtrusive. No plumbing or pumps, no bhp wasted , no excess heat, nothing to give the game away when the bonnet's up and quaffing Chablis.
You wouldn't know it's there until taking a back-to-back test drive. Which I haven't. I've got a T3!


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Posted By: niko
Date Posted: 13 Jul 09 at 13:11
I think this sounds like a great mod on the face of it.....hats off to someone with the know how and motivation to get this going.....
good price too.
 
I bought a std LHD power steering rack about 2 months ago......but now I think I will go down the option as offered here.
 
 


Posted By: Coolleocool
Date Posted: 25 Sep 09 at 10:58
Hi all,
I have mounted and used for about 3 monts now a french filth electric power steering pump, it works great.
My only poblem now is that I need a new steering rack and can't seem to be able to find one locally (South of Italy), is there another vw vwhicle model that has a rack that I could modifyto fit my 1981 9pack T3?. I will buy one of those speed sensing kits as soon as I am back in proper cruising oder as i don't have any at the moment (My van had no power steering... talking about which, VW nerd, could I see a pic of the kit??) 
I also have a bracket and pump off a 1900cc diesel engine that I am more than happyto give to anyone in need (providing they pay for the postage).
regards to all,
Maurizio (RUFUS).


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Posted By: UAP1
Date Posted: 25 Sep 09 at 11:13
It may appear a stupid question but has anyone ever fitted /modified a power steering rack and pump to their vehicle other than a VW pump and rack
I.e Range Rover or similar


Posted By: silverbullet
Date Posted: 25 Sep 09 at 13:26
I think that a lot of the problems with finding alternatives occur because of the forward control arrangement, which is / may well be unique in a vehicle the size of a transporter.
The rack is effectively bulkhead mounted as we all know, with its mounting faces arranged vertically, but the pinion shaft points away from the centre of the vehicle and forward, whereas in just about anything else it points more or less straight back, toward the driver.
I thought that I'd struck gold a while back on fleabay, turned out that the listing was wrong and it was a T4 rack. It didn't help that the picture was wrong too...
Range Rover? Classics and P38A's were steering box. Disco I and II's too. Chassis / foot mounted.
In a previous life, had I known, I'd have got a Synchro Cry instead of a Solihull S###box.
 
Try Kiley Clinton in Brum for a rebuild. Roger advised me that if I had a dead rack, they could rebuild it somehow. But I had to have something to fix first.


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Posted By: Coolleocool
Date Posted: 26 Sep 09 at 08:00
Hi Silverbullet,
Did I get it right? a powersteering rack off a Discovery I or II would fit a VW T3?


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   Maurizio


Posted By: UAP1
Date Posted: 26 Sep 09 at 08:30
A rangie Classic has a Steering Box bolted to the chassis which then transfer movement to the rack which is pumped ,with a little ingenuity i suppose it may be modified , hence my original post has anyone every done it?


Posted By: silverbullet
Date Posted: 28 Sep 09 at 09:22
NO no no - they are all steering box.  There is no rack!
All but the earliest are power. The column connects to the box, the box has a drop arm which connects to one steering upright by a rod and an adjustable track rod connects the two uprights to maintain... track.
Don't even go there. The 'box weighs about 20kg and looks like it should be on a tractor. Which is exactly where they originate. It won't work on a T3.
The best solution is the manual rack with electric column. If you've already got a power rack, then go the hybrid electric pump route with a speed sensor. At least you'll gain 1 or 2 mpg.


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Posted By: Coolleocool
Date Posted: 29 Sep 09 at 08:20
Hi again,
Gentlemen, first allow me to say that I absoluttely love this forum where some real down tho earth people share experiences and knowledge "earned on the field" (like me). 
Ok just to get thingr right, as my tec. english is not the best...
The steering wheel is connected to the box, the tractor like one?, then the box is connected to the rack? (that is what what I am looking for), and the rack is connected to the wheels.
Mine is worn out and it leaks oil. I was wondering if VW only made those racks just for the T3 or if they fitted them on some other models... I remember reading somewhere that the rack of a passat should fit (apart from the U shaped bolts that holds it onto the chassis... but that wouldn't be a problem). Has anyone ever tried to fit one in or heard of someone who did?
Apart from enjoying driving my van (named Rufus) I work with it, steerring racks are hard to find here and I just can't afford to take mine off, send it somewhere then wait for it to be posted back... Apart from the postage cost that would cost me a fortune (adding up everything would probably buy me a new one), hence... I am looking for alternatives.
 
PS. I have (free to anyone who needs it) a power steering pump and bracketthat was fitted on a 1.9 tdi, just pay postage fees. ANNND... I found in a brakeyard an ambulance 2.1 petrol engine with just 16.000 km on the clock, it was used in a small airport... so, no mileage at all, if anyone is interested, I can find out how much they would want for it or provide address and Ph. Numb. for direct contact.


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Posted By: silverbullet
Date Posted: 29 Sep 09 at 09:11
Sorry, this whole thing has got out of hand. Forget the Land Rovers.
I had been led to believe that you can adapt another rack with brackets but I can't now remember!
Might have been GM / Corsa. Passat might do the job, someone must know. Search the forum for "power steering rack swap"
Wish I could be more helpful.


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Posted By: Losthighway
Date Posted: 24 Jan 17 at 09:35
Ok i know this is an old thread but i have a 1991 VW T4 Petrol with no PAS im looking to get power steering done on this, anyone who posted on this thread still about haha thanks


Posted By: rowlesy
Date Posted: 30 Jan 17 at 18:24
Try t4 tech forum rather than the t3 tech!

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