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mcguyver
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If you're not charging the battery on board the van, there is much less risk of gas leakage, however, there can be a gas build up if there is a short circuit in the system even when not recharging.
Power packs usually have their own fuses but this is usually there to protect the pack from overloading. I would still fit a main fuse (the carrier and fuse will be a few quid max) and individual fuses for each circuit (zig unit). The purpose of the individual fuses is to protect the lower rated circuits from overload even when the overload current is too low to blow the main fuse.
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BlackBeltBlakey
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So am I right in thinking you just dumped your leisure battery in the back of the van and hooked the fridge up to it for 3-4 days? No other external bits and pieces required or used?
If so, which battery do you have?
And I'm guessing mac (correctly) will tell you that you should have had a fuse in there somewhere, right?
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T5-KTM
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Absolutely correct for the first part. I also bought a cigarette lighter socket type thing on a 1m wire and fitted an inline fuse to it. I then ran the fridge and 12v shower off it for the weekend. I bought a 100 amp leisure battery from my local camping/caravan shop, made by Numax. I will be installing a split charge system in the next week or so, fitting a decent inverter, possibly a 240v hook up option, putting it all into a box and wiring it up. I will document it and post it on here when I do. Still just looking at all the options. |
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BlackBeltBlakey
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Fantastic.
Any chance you can post links to the bits you've bought so far please? It sounds like you are already one step ahead of where I want to be and I can probably learn a lot from the steps you're taking. It also sounds like you are doing the same things I could do, like taking the leisure battery along to run your fridge without having it wired into the rest of the electricals as a first step.
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T5-KTM
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No problem. I've already been looking at buying a second leisure battery as I intend to run some fairly heavy duty luxuries off the inverter, these ones off ebay look pretty good to me here Just had a quick search for a 12v socket like the one I have and found these that look loads better Combined with some of these And of course one or two of these Or one like this for a quick and easy connection - like this I'm by no means an expert, there are plenty of more knowledgeable guys here on the forum, but I don't think you can go too far wrong with some common sense and asking a few questions on here as you go. Kitting out your camper is a personal and constant development as you encounter new 'wants' whilst your away. Use it and enjoy it! |
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energysolutions
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Easiest way I can think of to sort the rear lights would be to put the supply to the convenience module through a split charge relay (this) meaning that when the van is running the module is powered via the van battery (same as standard) but when stopped the relay drops out and the module is then powered from the leisure battery
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mcguyver
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Good thinking Energy
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blackvanman
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standard 5 pin relay would do the job. |
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BlackBeltBlakey
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Okay, one question sprints to mind: how would you charge this set up? As far as I can see the battery doesn't have a charger built in, so how would you top it up - before you get to the stage of sticking it into the van's electrical system I mean? I guess you'd need a spare charger, right?
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energysolutions
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Regular battery charger like the one I hyperlinked in one of my earlier posts, you could simply charge the battery at home and then run it while camping until it dies or stick the charger on it while camping to keep it topped up (provided mains is available)
This could be a temporary answer for you until you bolt it all together properly, plus all the components you use for the temporary install will carry over when you do the permanent job
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BlackBeltBlakey
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Thanks again. Time to start making a list of items and prices now I think....
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BlackBeltBlakey
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If I got a couple of THESE, for attaching to a Leisure Battery, how would I add a fuse in between? What parts would I need?
Also, how many of them can I sensibly attach to one leisure battery (say THIS one as an example), at once?
And is there a "correct way" to attach the leads? i.e. one colour before the other, or does it not matter as long as there is nothing plugged into the leads?
I think I'm going to look into buying a battery first (with these leads) plus the charger Energy suggested earlier. That seems like a good start, and at least the battery and charger will be reusable.
Cheers!
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energysolutions
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If you want to fuse it properly and run several 12v sockets then your best bet would be to connect to the battery with these (secure and quick release) then connect these to the clamps - they have inline fuses as standard
If one aint enough, double on up on the clamps cos each set will be fused independantly anyhow keeping everthing safe
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energysolutions
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True - but this would be easier/more simple to fit.......
Edited by energysolutions - 11 Aug 09 at 23:44 |
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BlackBeltBlakey
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Sorry, bit confused now.
Are you saying that the complete solution is to:
1. Take a leisure battery and stick it in the back of the van.
2. Add quick release terminals to the battery. (why do you need these incidentally?)
3. Attach water proof sockets to the above terminals.
Or are the clamps we were talking of earlier still in the equation?
As a separate question: I understand how the battery charger can be used to recharge the battery when back home or how it can be used to power and charge the battery if we are near a mains when camping - assuming I have the relevant power cable to provide mains power inside the van. However, one thing I'm not certain of. Longer term when I add the leisure battery into the full electrical circuit of the van, using a split charge relay, how will the charger then fit into the equation?
Thanks for the ongoing help!
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T5-KTM
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You won't need it, as it will be charged from the split charge relay when your driving around |
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energysolutions
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Those components could be used temporarily until you complete the full blown split charge install, plus they could be carried over at that point
1. Take a leisure battery and stick it in the back of the van. - YES
2. Add quick release terminals to the battery. (why do you need these incidentally?) -Yes, these are quick release for easy removal (no tools required) but much more secure than the crocodile style clips in your link
3. Attach water proof sockets to the above terminals. - Yes (dont have to be waterproof), those will connect directly to the quick release terminals and are safe as they have inline fuses installed
Or are the clamps we were talking of earlier still in the equation? - No, personally I dont like them, easily knocked off, lots of exposed copper on the jaws to accidently touch any metal bodywork and short out, plus it would be tricky to fit more than one set to a battery. The quick release style are more secure, simple to remove and can easily accept several wires being connected to them (ie 2+ 12v sockets)
The charger will connect onsite by simply plugging it in via your power cable (16A blue socket to 13A adaptor shown in your link) and attaching to the battery with the alligator clamps (ok for temporary as the jaws on the type i linked to for example are very strong and well insulated) or by direct connection to the clamps (better for long term, ie when you install the full split charge)
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BlackBeltBlakey
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Okay, I get that bit but could it be built into the system somehow so that when you plugged into the mains it used the charger to charge both batteries and also power anything attached to them?
I'm just trying not to spend a lot of money on stuff which I'll then have to resell. If as much as possible gets used in the long term project of getting everything built in and having a mains hookup, then so much the better...
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energysolutions
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True, but initially this is as a temporary measure to get up and running with a split charge being installed in the future
A charger would be an advantage if parked up for several days (provided mains power was available)
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T5-KTM
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You are obviously the expert on this and I'm just confusing things further for mr BBB
My suggestions were for a quick up and running solution - like I'd done myself. |
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