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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jul 07 at 21:14

Okay

 

The pump fitted to my engine has the following numbers on it ( I hope they mean more to you than they do to me!!)

0460494413

603-1

BS4026

028130081 (VW PN I am assuming)

 

Out of the 14 wirs on the multipulg I have listed the ones below which I think are important.

Thingy under pump (C in tonties picture of pump)

1x brown wire = pin 2 on multipug

1x black wire = pin 3

 

Back of pump (B in tonties picture)

1x green/cream (might have been white once) = pin 10

1x brown/cream = pin 9

4 pin temperature sensor/glow plug controller?

1x Yellow/red = pin 7 on multi

1x Black white = pin 5

1x brown white = pin 8

1x brown white = ring terminal (glow plug rail??) also connected to pin 8 on multi

Electronic cold start

 

black yellow = pin 16 on multi connector

 

Mazz dose this make any sense to you?

Do you need any more info to figure it out?

Your help is much appreeciated

 

John

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jul 07 at 22:52
leave all them wires well alone in loom they can just be plugged into there original locations,what wires coming from the 16 pin plug do you have that dont go to the pump or temp sensor, ignoring main battery feed for glow plugs
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jul 07 at 09:15

 

Mazz one of the issues that I have is that in my wisdom, whne stripping the engine originaly, i decided to just cut the wiring off rather then being nice and removing properly.

I have had a go at naming all the wires from the 17 pin connector.

Pin, Wire colour, Sensor / location       

1, thick red/white, ?? (glow pugs?)

2, brown, thing under pump

3, Black, thing under pump 

4, Thick red/white, ? (glow pugs?)

5, Blue / white, 4 pin  temp sensor

6, blank

7, yellow / red, 4 pin temp sensor

8, brown / white, 4 pin temp sensor

9, light brown/ cream, sensor on back of pump

10, green / cream, sensor on back of pump

11, blank

12, yellow, oil pressure

13, blank

14, white / red, goes to a 2 pin connector (stop solinode?)

15, Blue / black, ? (second oil pressure?)

16, Black / yellow, cold start

17, black, 2 pin connector (same one as pin 14) (stop solinode?)

 

I have nothing from the vehcle side of things.

 

Did the pump numbers mean anything?

 

Cheers

John



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jul 07 at 23:42

no numbers dont mean nowt to me baxter is your man for that,

the relay needs a ign feed from somewhere so i can only presume there are some soldered joints hidden in the loom

solid black is always a unfused ign feed on vws

solid brown always direct earth

red white normally fused live feed,

you could try tapping into the brown and putting that to earth ,then tap into the black and put that to ign ,then put one of the red/whites to live ,plug everything into your pump and see what happens.

where you from john



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jul 07 at 07:11

 

Baxter was saying that the glow plug relay is the controller for the pump - is this your understanding as well?

If it is I will go and get one and have a look.

Iam unfortunetly from coventry

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jul 07 at 20:34

id say baxter is right although not seen one myself,what part of cov you from

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jul 07 at 21:21

yeah, as far as I know it is, although I don't have a wiring diagram at home.

It also has a diagnostic socket! not that it will tell you much!

VW follow the standard DIN wiring codes as do most German, infact European manufacturers.

Black is ign live.

Red is battery live, unfused.

Red/white is fused battery live.

Brown is earth.

Brown/white is switched earth

Etc...

 

I have a diagram at work, because you have been polite () and I have an interest in this, give me a ring next week and I will have a look for you.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jul 07 at 21:25

 

Tile Hill, just off the A45

 

I have found the following parts from ETKA which are for a late AAZ

028906124B - electrnoic control unit - £134.71 + vat

357911253A - glow plug relay - 16.01 + vat

I am going to try and hunt some second hand ones down.

Have a look at the following link - not sure if these tell me something or nothing??!

 

http://volkswagen.msk.ru/electro/g3/g3_wd03_aaz.pdf

I donlt think its late enough looking at the dates.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jul 07 at 21:33

The 028 part numbere relates to the 1.9 engines.

the 357 part number relates to a passat

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jul 07 at 21:48

Cheers Simon

 

I will give you a call next week.

 

I am goinh to end up making a loom completelt from scratch as I just don't have anything (vehicle side anyway)

Does any one knoe if all golf fuse boxes were the same gasoline/diesel?  ETKA would surgest yes - but I have fallen foul of this befor!

Cheers for all the help

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jul 07 at 21:51

That 357 number came from the golf part of the ETKA????

 

I going to get confused - before this is sorted I can tell - mechanics I can do but wires??

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Jul 07 at 22:06
I may have the engine side of the loom that you require.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jul 07 at 09:15

if you try and get that engine loom off simon,failing that just the wiring diagram would and the piece of loom you do have,dont see why you would need golf fuse box , i could pick up  parts of from you and sort it out for you ,as i work mobile, mostly in the west mids,you could do with finding that control unit first

I too am interested in what is going on here if i ,you, or simon susses it we will have to make sure what is found is posted

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jul 07 at 09:30

 

Cheers guys

 

How cool is this forum and the willing ness to help!

 

I will start collecting bits and peices, and will keep you posted.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Jul 07 at 20:13

Bit of an up date

 

Baxter I have managed to get my hands on a dealers computer systems which have given me access to all the wiring diagrams thank you.  It looks like you were bang on when you were talking about the glow plug control unit controling the other sensors - it does. Now the issue that I have is that the ecu looks like it is located on the upper relay board, but the connectors for this board don't appear to be correct?  the ecu should have an 18 pin connector and the board does not have one of this number!  Iam a little reluctant to spend £130+vat and have got the wrong part.  Iam also struggeling to fond a breaker (even VW specific ones) who have a clue asto what I am taking about.  Iam going at the weekend to have a digg through all the bits and peices from the local vw breakers and see what they have.

Does this unit have some connection to the imobilizer?  I can not tell.

I think I have the correct wiring here for the wiring harness, so thank you for the offer of the loom you have.  You are more than welcom to send it down to me so it can be moded the same time as mine so you have one to play with as well.

Cheers

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Jul 07 at 20:30
I may have some interesting news regards running a 1.6TD pump on a 1.9, just gunna do a new thread.
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