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    Posted: 25 Mar 09 at 20:27
Hi

I've got a LHD Westfalia T4 California, 1993 and I love it to bits, but the fridge is giving me jip ! It works intermittantly.

The model of the fridge is an RC 1140 (Product No 958 3101) and I am pretty sure it has the Electrolux symbol on it, but the text on plate only mentions "Manufactured for the Domestic Corporation".

Its seems to be a 12V only fridge, getting power from the 2 SonnenSchein leisure gel batteries fitted in the rear of the vehicle. I've checked that the batteries are getting charged, and a voltmeter shows they are. They also have enough power to run an inverter with a 100W bulb plugged into it which would suggest to me that there is enough juice in the batteries to power to 60W fridge. So I don;t think its a problem with power from the batteries. The fridge does not seem to run any more reliably on the mains hookup either, so I would of thought this should definitly rule out a power problem.

When the fridge tries to switch on, all I usally get is high pitched whine for a few seconds and then silence. Sometimes, if its been off for a while, it will fire up and the element gets cool quickly.

I've been searching for a manual for this fridge, but no joy. Are there any service instructions maybe I should try?

Any help greatly appreciated.

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Scratch that last post. I've fixed it. After much hunting it was all down to a dry joint on the compressors contacts. Still I've learnt quite a bit about this fridge's electrics so if any one has similar problems, I may be able to help.

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Hi Bill,
Glad you got your fridge sorted. Did you manage to find any diagrams/manuals anywhere? I've been searching around but can't find anything useful. Mine sounds like its working (compressor hums away), but then seems to beep and restart every couple of minutes or so, it's also not cooling. I've just replaced the leisure batteries so it's getting plenty of power.
Any advice will be very much appreciated!
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Hi Duncan,

Haven't managed to get any diagrams\manuals yet. I am sure they are out there, just a question of maybe getting some advice from someone on this forum. There's this one at the following site: http://www.vwbooks.co.uk/catalogue/covers/vwb660.htm

But I am not 100% sure its for covers my 93 European Westfalia california coach that I have. Every where that sells it seems to say its for American models only.

If you don't have the van's manual try this one:

California_coach_instructions.pdf

Its a bit newer than my van, but it all seems to make sense near enough. There's some important stuff in there that had I read it would of saved me a lot of time trying to fix problems that were not really problems :-)

I think mine did the same as yours at some times. It would sometimes fire up and then other times just give a "high pitch whine" and not startup. It wasn't a beep though. They way I fixed mine (and I think I was lucky to be honest) was to clean up the conector plug that goes into the actual compressor. This is the 4 way plug that comes from the plastic box of tricks inside the metal compartment thats sits under the main fridge box. Mine must of had a dry contact or something.

I would set the temperature on the control panel in the cab to be minus 20C so as the fridge should always be on and then go and have a play with this connector block. If the compressor cuts out while your playing with it, this could be the dodgy part of the system thats causing the problem. I would clean the contacts lightly with very fine sandpaper (or meths and a cloth) if you suspect them.

If this doesn't cure the problem, and if its the same Fridge and van as mine, I can always give you voltages\resistance readings at certain points in the loom\connection to see if they match yours and possibly help you diagnose the problem.

By the way, does it all work on the mains at all ?

Let me know if I can help you; I know how frustrating it is.
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Hi Bill,
Thanks for such an excellent and timely reply! You were bang on the money with the contact cleaning tip - I've just cleaned the pins on the six way connector block hanging out of the compressor unit and hey-presto working fridge! I love it when it's the simple things... I think  I must have had an intermittent connection on one of the control links - possibly the one carrying the thermostat signal. Anyway, it's a relief to get it working as I didn't like the price of a new one much: http://server2.gs-shop.de/200/cgi-bin/shop.dll?SESSIONID=0363002038560808&AnbieterID=4357
 
You questioned whether the fridge ran off the mains ok - it's my understanding that the all the 12V appliances in these vans are only run off the battery, and that the hookup only powers the battery charger and 240V consumer units - do you know if this is the case?    
 
Thanks again for the help - hopefully I'll be able to return the favour at some point - I've recently got to know the Eberspacher heating unit quite well...
 
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Thats made my day! I am glad its fixed.

As for how the batteries and mains operate, it would make sense what you said that its all 12V at the end of the day and the batteries just get topped up from the mains.

You might regret mentioning your knowledge of the heating unit !

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Hello,

I have the same problem as Duncan..
My fridge goes on and then after 24 sec out. That 3 times a minut.
I have cleaned the pins on the six way connector.
But the fridge is not working correct.
It stayś the same.
Can anybody tell me what  to do????

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Hi Jossie,

I would eliminate the batteries first if cleaning the terminals didn't work.

Does it work if the batteries have had a good 24 hour charge AND the mains supply is plugged in ? When you charge the batteries, make sure nothing is switched on to give them the best chance of building up a good charge.

Another way to check if its the batteries is to get hold of another that have the capacity to drive the fridge. If yours is the same fridge as mine, then the main engine battery in good condition and fully charged is a good swap to try. If the fridge works on these OK, you know its your leisure batteries or the charging of them which narrows down the problem.
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Hello,
First of all, sorry for my bad english but I'm french ...

I've got exactly the same pb ( start, 20 seconds noise, bip, stop, start 20 seconds noise, bip ...).

When you speak about the 6 pin  connector, is it the one plugged into the 220v/12v charger or another one inside the metal compartment under the fridge ?

Could you give us "voltages\resistance readings at certain points in the loom\connection" ?


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Hi folks,

Have been away a while, so have just caught up on the recent additions to this thread. Having thought that I'd solved my problem  (the old run - beep - reset routine), I've since discovered that the issue still persists. When I cleaned the contacts on both the six way connector outside the fridge, and the three pin connector that connects directly to the compressor, it came back to life for a while. However, I've since discovered that it's actually the disconnection of the power from the fridge that gets it working again - basically, if I disconnect the power for a while (1/2 hour-ish) something seems to reset and the fridge will then work for an hour or so really well, but then it drops back into it's old ways of resetting and not cooling. It seems that I am not the only one with this problem, so I'll just list the things that I've tried so far that have not helped:

1) I've cleaned the external connection block as well as the connector to the compressor.
 
2) I've replaced the electrolytic capactiors on the control board and also re-soldered the joints where the external connections come onto the board. Electrolytics can dry out over time and go open circuit, so thought this might help - it didn't....
 
3) I've removed the cooling panel from inside the fridge and tilted it around  - thought it might re-circulate the coolant.
 
4) I've checked the fan exhaust pipe for blockages - by this I mean the pipe below the heatsink that goes down through the bottom of the van.
 
5) I've removed and re-seated the main control panel (the one at the front of the van) in the hope that there might have been a dodgy connection.
 
I'm running short of ideas now. The frustrating thing is that when the fridge works, it does so really well, so basically there can't be anything too major wrong with it. The other thing that I'm puzzled by is that the beeping noise is definitely coming from inside the compressor unit, and not from the contol box - although it sounds like an electonic 'beep', I'm starting to wonder whether it might actually be mechanical/gas squeek.
I'm now thinking a couple of things; firstly, could the fridge be low on coolant gas and that is causing it to reset - mind you, if this were the case I can't see how disconnecting the power would make it work for a while. Secondly, could there be a problem with the temperature sensor signal, that is stopping the fridge regulating properly? In which case, some voltages from a working fridge might be pretty useful.
 
Well, I've rattled on for long enough. Hopefully between us we might be able to get somewhere with this. I'm actually off to Indonesia for a couple of weeks tomorrow, but will gladly try any suggestions when I return.
 
Cheers,
 
Duncan
  
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I've followed the following procedure (http://www.t4zone.info/Centrale_de_commande_California_T4) to measure frige intensity.

The document is in French but it's very easy to explain it to you:
Press for 7 seconds the 4 buttons rounded in red in the begining of the doc
then, press the down arrow until you see the fridge icon with a number on its left.

This number is the intensity.
Could you please send us the value(s) displayed ?
(mine, starts at 2.5 A and then goes down to 0.5 A)
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Hi,

I've just followed the procedure and found that mine is similar to yours - it starts at 0.1A then rises to 2.4 and then drops down to 0.3 where it settles.

Could it be that there's not enough current reaching the fridge? This seems strange, considering that my batteries are brand new and they deliver enough current to start up the Eberspacher diesel heater, which draws quite a significant current.

What do you think?
 
Thanks,
 
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I'd like someone with a good fridge to give us his values ...
Does your fridge stopped working just after you've changed your batteries ?

On this thread: http://www.t4zone.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=20388&start=0 , someone thinks his fridge may be had problem just after he installed new batteries.

I really don't understand what's happening to all our fridges ...

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I've found this:
http://www.google.fr/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=25&url=http%3A%2F%2F217.170.5.50%2F~weetwel%2Ftips_en_trucs%2Fwestfalia_controlepaneel%2FZentralelektronik.pdf&ei=KJ86SpmCLcL6_Abu8tS8Bg&usg=AFQjCNFEFp5ZZJhRD_0xCI_g2inBpNv29Q&sig2=vngypPsrfIK7AdXvF_cHcA

on page 8, there's something about intensity (4.5A) but ... i don't speak german)

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I would imagine that 4.5A is the normal operating current, in which case our fridges are drawing much less. At the moment I'm not sure why that would be, although I suppose it's possible that a dry solder joint could cause this. 
In answer to your previous question, my fridge wasn't working any better before I changed the batteries, and everything else in the van seems to work fine.
It would definitely be good to know what the fridge test readings are for a working fridge.
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Hi All,

My fridge is still working and I will try give you my readings over the weekend. By the way, I think the fridge drawing 4.5A sounds quite reasonable to me as the fridge is rated at 60W and since I=P/V (or amps=power/volts) is 60W/12V which gives you 5A.

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I've found a California today and asked to test the fridge as described in the procedure:
It starts at 0.5 A and goes up to 4.5-5A.

so, I still don't know if the original pb is electrical or mechanical ...

Why did you say the batteries should be full AND the main supply plugged in ?

If it's plugged, it should be enough no ?


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I bought a new battery yesterday, charged it all night long and ... nothing ... this fridge seems still dead.
I will try in september to find a specialist and i will tell you if something becomes clear
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I've just gone through the test sequence as well (finally) and on my working system it goes from 0.2A to 0.4A

Regarding whether the mains electricity should be plugged in or not, I am pretty sure that the fridge always runs off the batteries, but the mains trickle charges them up. So when its plugged in, the fridge is not really running off the mains, but it does help a little bit.

By the way, my 2 sonnenshein batteries are quite old (possibly original!) and they still hold enough charge to fire up the fridge for a day or two, so it does sounds like mapomme's problem is not batteries.

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I've found spanish and  german threads:
http://www.furgovw.org/index.php?topic=26087.0;topicseen
http://www.wohnmobile.net/forum/nachrichten/58332-Re-Danfoss-BD2.htm



the pb seems to be the control unit (102N3017) which could be changed by a E254412 de Frigoboat.
(to be continued)
the german page  seems to try to repair it by changing transistors but i don't speek good german

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