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Jammy75
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Me again, temp sensors I bought using 7zap for part numbers turned out to be wrong again. I need a 4pin and a 2pin, the way 7zap show it, the parts I need for an ACL engine can only be one way: item 25D 357919501 (4pin for ACL) They don't work, the temp guage doesnt move at all. I've found the original ones and managed to get the numbers off them using a magnifing glass and shining light at different angles on to them. There part numbers are: item 25C 701919369B (4pin for ACL) iten 25D 251919501D (2pin for 1E) So is my running hot issue because I have a sensor for a 1E engine or is 7zap wrong? Here's the link, https://volkswagen.7zap.com/en/rdw/lt+lt+4x4/lt/1994-109/9/919-112010/. You dont get the engine column if you view using a mobile phone. Sorry to be a pain, but, I'd like to get the right sensors in there, hopefully fourth time is a charm. Thanks, Jammy |
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Jammy75
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Hi,
When I drained the coolant didn't get loads of muck out with it, then flushed it through a few times before replacing with the spec'd coolant. The sensors taken out had rusted, bought what I think are the right ones now. I'll try them over Christmas, if they don't fix it, will check the aux pump is working. |
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mojo
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Haha....stay away from tinternet when drunk! If the gauge is reading cold when cold then warming up with engine it's unlikely the sensors. Had
the same problem on a friends ford ranger 04, temp gauge would go
through the roof on a hill. Drained and flushed the system, didn't look
like it had any coolant/antifreeze in it. Rad flow was fine. Come to
clean the dirty expansion bottle out and it was half full with
solidified rust sediment which I had to break out. Refilled, bled and
road tested.......same problem. We had no history on the vehicle so
decided to change stat and pump, when we removed the pump (which by all
outward appearances looked fine and turned fine) it had no impellers
left, just tiny little stumps, they had all rusted off. What condition was your coolant in when you changed it? How much muck came out? Just thinking that if like the garage say it's a new pump....it should be new coolant and a cleanish system???
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Jammy75
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They didn't change it, said the belts and water pump look new and that IR thermometer showed everything was running within temp limits, just the guage showing hit, told me to change the sensors. Which I have, twice. First ones I screwed up by ordering drunk, second lot which I think are the right ones, didn't register anything on the gauge.
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mojo
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Do you mean they didn't change the pump or they changed it and the old one was ok?
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Jammy75
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Hi fellas,
Back again, I still haven't sorted the temp gauge, took the camper in for a water pump change and the garage said it didn't need it. The temp sensors I bought were wrong, I've used 7zap to find the part numbers (https://volkswagen.7zap.com/en/rdw/lt+lt+4x4/lt/1994-109/9/919-112010/), but it throws up a few options for an ACL engine. My question is does anyone know the part number of the yellow 4 pin temp sensor? Thanks, Jamie |
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Jammy75
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Hi Gents,
Just a quick one to say I've bought various temperature sensors, havent fitted them yet, vans due an oil change, I'll put in the sensors at the same time as I change the oil and oil cooler. Not sure if it'll do much but, a lad I work with said it could make a difference. Is there anyway to check/remove the water pump without removing belts etc? Thanks, Jammy |
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Dreamcatcher
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As far as I am aware,the core is aluminium and can't be repaired. The cost of re core at last count was more than a new rad from Holland.
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robbydoo
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I'm led to believe that you cannot get the originals re-cored as the cores are not available anymore.......
I had to buy a new replacement..........
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SteveSt
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When I put a new head on my 2.4TD a few years back, the engine overheated as soon as the LT went back on the road, had obviously been overheating for some time before the new head was fitted - as the old head was badly cracked. Only did about 10 slow miles without the stat to prove there was an issue (new temp sensor fitted during top end rebuild).
I was lucky enough to find a place over Sunbury (West London) that had a rebuilt rad in stock. As this was 5 years back I doubt they still have them. (and I cannot find them online today) I still have my old one behind the shed in the garden if you want that for re-coring so you can do a straight swap-out. (If that makes sense) |
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AndyT
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Had a rad re-cored a few years ago, before they did any work it was first soaked overnight. No idea what chemicals they used but it might be an option.
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Monster LT
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Yep. Those are coolant temp sensors too.
Search for ETKA and you can find parts lists & diagrams. Very helpful when trying to figure out whats what and get replacement parts. |
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Jammy75
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Havent checked the rad with the IR thermometer yet, have the van in storage and getting there during a week night is pain, I long for a drive to put her on. Found a pic I'd taken of the engine, It shows the level sender on the top of the resevoir, but also show two sensors (one black & one yellow) in the pipe from the resevoir to the head are these temp related?
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Monster LT
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Thing on top of resevoir is a level sender. Below water pump is temp sensor.
A clogged rad (if that's what is causing this overheating) can be cleared although maybe not fully depending. Backflush with pressure (all hoses off). Soak with degunking chemicals? I'd make sure it is the rad that's the problem though before replacing. Did you check it by hand or with a thermometer? Any tell tale cold spots? |
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Jammy75
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Took a few days off, but, thanks for all the info fellas. Which temp sensor are you referring to, the one on the top of the coolant reservoir? Haven't had the pump out, but, LT monster gave advice on checking it over when the coolant was out via the hoses and a cam in a previous post.
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Monster LT
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Sure. Just saying for anyone reading in future and may have overheating probs or is getting a new pump, to be aware of the plastic impellor.
Having said that if this is an ACL engine built in '93 / '94 we're talking about it's not likely to have one with the plastic. It should have the cast metal one. Not saying that these pumps don't fail for other reasons either. Failure of pump can be real subtle, virtually no sign until you fully examine it. Mine had an internal seal displaced and was still going strong except a tiny dropplet appearing at the weep hole, which can be normal when fitting a new pump anyway. Wasn't until I got the cam belt off that I realised how difficult is was to spin the spline compared to a new pump. I spotted the problem on a hunch and had an excuse to do the cam belt. Edited by Monster LT - 27 Jul 18 at 22:57 |
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robbydoo
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I agree......................but always best to check when faced with an overheating problem eh......
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Monster LT
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Just for the record... The impellors that do fail are the one made of plastic ( Febi make these ). If the impellor is a cast metal they are unlikely to be a problem ever. |
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robbydoo
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Just re-read your post and you've stated you've checked the pump....did you take it fully out?
From what you've said the problem is and what you have done already it sounds more like an electrical problem more than a mechanical one......... If it was your radiator it would be pretty bunged up to allow it to run that hot.......how long does it take for the gauge to go to the top? Rob
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byroad
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hi jammy. by saying you turn on the heater and fan on,pretty much answers the question,on doing that you get rid of heat,doing what a radiator should be doing,so if you decide to change the rad,and i think thats the prob,I've changed mine already and i drove the front of the van on ramps,its a bit safer and more solid.It is a bit of a wriggle on you own,but do able,and i'm an old geazer. good luck.
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