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    Posted: 14 Nov 18 at 10:16
Hi mate.
You seem to be having an identical nightmare with it.
I'm no mech but the final time I got it seen to they put on a genuine VW gasket and said BGR are rubbish. He named it before I told him that's what had been used.

They did their own checks too and found the rad was rotten inside and had collapased. This knackered the flow etc. The 2nd and then final time the head didn't need a skim. The BGR gasket had clearly let go.

So combination of a new rad a and proper gasket solved my issue. I am 13k miles down the line now and no issues again.

I could clearly see under the bottle there was a load of light brown/red residue all over the place. Have a good look right underneath the bottle.

I did a lot of asking around and a quite a few people have been spot on with diagnoses.

Get the van up to temp. Park it up to go stone cold overnight ideally. Go back to it and open the coolant cap. If there is a hiss/pressure release its a good indication of the head, head gasket or block holding that pressure.

I was lucky it was gasket only but had a few mechanics and few K to find that out. The BGR gasket might have worked with a properly working rad but for peace if mind I would get a genuine part.

Sounds like you have changed everything else I was directed to.

If you're planning on seeing it through and having the van for a long time it might be worth chucking a new rad on??? The front end has to come off to sort the head anyway I think.
The symptoms did improve with a new rad but the gasket had gone.

I'm just kind of summarising the advice I was given on here and what finally worked. I'm not talking from any kind of mechanical background. (await shots fired by people in the know)

Keep the thread posted mate. It's good to know what solved the problems.

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Silly question but the one thing you haven’t mentioned is the auxiliary water pump, probe to failure! It’s situated under the van almost under the passenger seat. See if you can see any coolant drips. A catastrophic loss of coolabt like that means serious leak. There’s also a pipe that runs in front of the block that corroded but you would see a lot of wet in the engine bay. The aux pump is situated so that if it fails the coolant pisses out onto the road and by the time you pull over there are no readily obvious signs except for the odd pink coloured drip hanging off the underside somewhere. Let me know how you go. Certainly sounds almost head gasket related. If not the pump and If you’re on the Facebook T5 forum run the symptoms by John Homles. Good luck.
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Hi mate, sounds like exactly the same thing is happening to me. Losing water, but no evidence of where it goes. The more pressure it gets under ie down the motorway it loses water, but using it round town at low speeds was fine in comparison. Then you hear the suction when you cut the engine & check the coolant & it reappears. Various mechanics have looked at it, worked on in & had there own opinion. Had numerous gas leak tests( if that’s what they’re called ) with the dye not changing colour so apparently not Head gasket. So had new water pump, new radiator, new thermostat but was advised to leave it out as to get more water flow. Still had problems doing exactly the same thing . Then was advised to have new head bolts wound in sequence as it might be head lift from stretched bolts, so got some 150 head bolts from dark side developments & had a mech do the job & thought it had solved it but after a week back to same problems. I then agreed for the guy to get the head off & tested but kept me hanging for months to do the work rather than telling me he can’t/won’t do it.
So had some local mechanics look at it last week, they of course have to do there prolimerary checks despite any previous history & they seem to think it’s a blockage so flushed system through & gradually got more & more shit out, the heater matrix was clogged up too apparently also with a hose clip not connected so could be letting air in I was told. They refitted the new stat & said just try it! had it back for 4 days now took it to work local, everything fine. Haven’t had to fill the bottle but not had a chance to push the van yet, so today with no weight in the back had it up to 75-80 for about 30 secs looked down & saw the temp gauge up to 120 so immediately backed it off & the temp gauge returned to 90. It got me home another 3 miles then checked the coolant & the bottle was empty. The coolant warning light hadn’t come in though. So I’m guessing after reading your similar experiences that I need the head off & skimmed if necessary & a new gasket but not a BGR one? Thanks for any advice you can offer.
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Yeah mate.
I've got a bright red van and work nearby. I went in loads too.

Whilst chatting about it before doing the work and trying to trouble shoot brand of gasket was raised and they said BGA before touching it. I asked my previous mech who confirmed BGA.
He asked about waterpump too. This was changed the first time I had the HG done and was checked when it went to IVC and found to be fine.

No heating at all at start.
HG done then got 300-400 miles. Back to square one.
Back to same guy. HG re done. Same distance covered then went again. Exact same symptoms with no over heating.

It was a good few months before I took it in finally to IVC I went to various garages. Went to IVC a good few times. In the meantime I ran it for a while with no thermostat in. This helped with pressure/heat but the problem got worse and then the overheating came.
I could drive on slow roads to work ok. But motorway would pressure all the water out before it overheated. Then it overheated.

Apologise if I'm repeating myself I just remember what I originally put in the thread.
I got a lot of suggestions off this forum I seem to remember.

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The guy at IVC remembers you, just from the BGA reference!amyway could you remind me, were you getting any issues with overhearing? If so was this from the start of your van playing up or a later issue that developed? Cheers
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A few people on here mentioned there are places to check the rad flow rate. Might be worth checking that out before swapping it.

Keep us posted.
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Sounds very similar.

I can't remember the price but they did confirm the guys who did my HG he first time had done it all properly just used a rubbish BGA gasket.
They re skimmed to the max level but their engineers said it was still flat. Then they put the thickest Gaskets made for this engine. They did tell me they would only use genuine VW parts when doing the work.
It was still a bit of a gamble because they only did a bit of a visual check of the block. (That was another mechanics trail of thought). They were confident of the radiator and gasket combination being the issue.

I'm out at minute but I'll dig out the receipt later/tomorrow.

2200 inclusive springs to mind. They are a proper specialist place not back street. That MOT in that too though.
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What do you think it cost you for the legit HG and radiator?
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Yes it holds pressure until cap is released then bubbles up violently.. gonna give em a call. Cheers
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I looked at and was at the point of getting a recon engine until these lads looked at it.

My symptoms seemed a bit worse than that. I could probably get 300 or so if I used slow roads but most my commute was motorway.
The water light could come on after 2 miles or so on motorway. Initially I had no overheating until towards the end 3 months or so.

When you park it up over night then go back to it does it fizz up when the cap is released.
Mine would hold pressure for a day at it's worst.

The lads said the radiator had collapsed inside which wasn't helping the flow/pressure in the system. Coupled with a BAG gasket they wouldn't touch kept making it go again.
New rad and genuine gasket have sorted the problem. For me.
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Great news. I’m suffering coolant loss to the point of refilling every 300 Miles or so. No overheating. Coolant system over pressurising and spitting coolant all over engine bay. Coolant hoses going rock hard and staying that way after turning everything off. Everything says head gasket but my garage have replaced HG before only for problem to return, so reluctant to take my cash for the HG job. Sounds very similar to your issue. My garage claimed that the 1.9 head doesn’t take well to being skimmed and this affects the ability for the replacement gasket to sit properly. Three options....HG replacement, donor engine or recon’d engine......????
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote heskethlmu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Jan 18 at 19:35
Hi mate.
Yep I have just taken it back to the same garage that sorted it out for an MOT. Passed again 3 years running, well chuffed.
She is running lovely and I have done about 8-9k this year.

Anyone in the West Heaven area with a problem I can highly recommend IVC in the Stourton area of Leeds.
Audi/VW specialists they have been brilliant with me.

Make sure you get a genuine gasket if that which way you are going with it.
Check the radiator in the process.

If I can be of any help. Although I am not a mechanic in the slightest I'll try talk through symptoms etc.

Good luck.
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Hi
One year on was the problem solved once and for all? I am having the same exact issue now.
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Thanks mate. So do I.

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Thanks for getting back to us with an update.  Thumbs Up  I hope you have many miles of trouble-free motoring ahead of you.

I can't comment about BGA gaskets as I have no knowledge either way.


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Hey guys I know its been a while but Ive got the van back today.

The verdict was the gasket had failed for a second time. I was told by the first mech they had used a different type the second time becuase the first gasket clearly failed.

The VW specialist I used called the supply firm and it appears they used a BGA gasket twice.
Before they called they quized me about what brand of gasket etc had been used. They said they have had loads of problems with BGA.

So for this round of works I was heading down the engine swap route but asked them to take the head off in the process and check it.

The gasket appeared to have blown again. They did also find the internals of the radiator had collapsed also.
The head has been sent off again and rechecked. Its fine. So both engineers checked it properly.

The guys doing the work this time round didnt find fault at the any of the workmanship of the first mech. The only fault being the brand of gasket.

In the process they cut the heater out of the loop so it was definitely in the block.
EGR has been cleaned. Coolant system flushed.

Fingers crossed they have got the problem sorted with a genuine gasket.

Has anyone heard of issues with BGA gaskets?

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Ps I've tried steel seal and use ultraviolet to work out it was blowing out the bottom of the header tank.
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Hi any update? I've exactly the same problem with the header tank pressurising and holding pressure. New tank and genuine thermostat fitted, passed the sniff test twice and has driven through France without going over 90 degrees.the interesting thing is I eventually managed to get it to show up on a sniff test by holding the rev's at say 4k and then backing off the throttle, this showed up the back pressure but why only as you come off throttle. Explains why I can do 500 mile and only use a cup full of water yet the same amount in 2 days round town.

1.9 diesel on a 2005

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Hi mate.
No update at minute. Ive sent it into a VW specialist they are going to run some tests and assuming they dont find anything obvious the other garage has missed they are going to swap my lump for a recon one.

They are quite busy I took it in Friday and they will start looking at it tomorrow or Thursday.
I will be ringing them Monday to see what script is with it.

Its not gonna be cheap I dont think mate.

I will add something on here when I have an update. So many threads dont come to a conclusion. I wont be one of those.

Watch this space....
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any update on the van mate?
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