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Sorry... but it would really help if you did a bit more research before posting. 1. Firstly the state of the process - last October VW actually announced a delay to the start of work to set up that plant, due to Turkey's actions in the Kurdish region in northern Syria, so it isn't currently going ahead at all. 2. Secondly, the reasons why VW have considered building a car plant in Turkey probably have a lot to do with the fact that there's a trade deal between the EU and Turkey that allows the passage of goods between the two markets without customs restrictions. It's called the Ankara Agreement, and it took eight years to negotiate from the initial talks in 1987 to the point at which it came into effect 31 December 1995. It will also leave Turkey in a better position in terms of trade with the EU than the UK will be if we leave at the end of this year with No-Deal. Now imagine you're sitting in the boardroom at Ford, Vauxhall, Nissan, Toyota, JLR, etc, and you're currently seeing a UK government that is talking up a No-Deal scenario. You've explained very clearly to this government, numerous times, the potential impact to your business model in the UK, both in terms of customs costs and delays, of continuing to operate without a trade deal with your main regional market. Where do you think the board are going to decide to invest their money to build a next generation electric car? In the UK, or somewhere that has frictionless trade with the EU?
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nicq
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please make sure of your gactd
The building of the plant has been postponed until February The EU does not havrFYS with Turkey both ways only from the EU to Turkey. From Turkey to the EU still has tariffs
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Sorry for mistakes, bloody hard work on a phone
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Mike Noc
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As you well know I wasn't talking about that - I was talking about your statement linking the Bridgend closure to Brexit, which is untrue.
Priceless! Have another look and you'll see that you selectively quoted yourself and I quoted you in full. Read it through again and tell me what I missed out: The s*** piles up so fast you need wings to stay above it... Ford to close Bridgend engine plant with 1500 jobs lost on site and many hundreds more lost in the supply chain. At
this point I think it's fair to say that if you still think that a No
Deal Brexit, or indeed any kind of Brexit, will be beneficial for the UK
then you've either got your hand in the cookie jar or you're a muppet. As for my rose tinted view how have you worked that out? I haven't given a view on UK prospects in the event of a no deal Brexit. There really isn't any reasoning with you so I'll give up and I'll leave you to it. Have fun. |
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The EU / Turkey Customs Union is tariff free in both directions for all industrial goods, so I'm not sure where you got that bit of info from.
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randolph57
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WOW!
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clift_d
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If you say so...
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nicq
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Turkey. The EU and Turkey are linked by a Customs Union agreement, which came into force on 31 December 1995. Turkey has been a candidate country to join the European Union since 1999, and is a member of the Euro-Mediterranean partnership. https://ec.europa.eu › index_en PEOPLE ALSO ASKDoes Turkey have free trade with EU? Results for Turkey However, the free trade agreements (FTAs) signed by the EU do not extend to Turkey, so the EU's FTA partners can export to Turkey tariff-free, while maintaining tariffs on Turkish goods, unless they also conclude a separate FTA agreement with Turkey. |
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If you follow the first link in your post - the one to the EU Trade Commission, you will find a link to the actual Customs Union Agreement:
So there are no customs duties on goods passing either way due to this trade deal, hence the attraction of building a factory in Turkey. Our manufacturing sector used to be in a similar position due to our membership of the EU, which is why successive governments were able to persuade companies like Nissan to invest in manufacturing in the UK. Unfortunately this will no longer the case as a result of Brexit, and so new investment in factories will not come to the UK, it will go elsewhere.
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danstervan
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It's only your data protection. That's data that as a commodity is now considered to be as or more valuable than oil as it allows those that hold it to engineer more ways to manipulate you and extract wealth from yourselves. |
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From the OBR:
Sunlit uplands anyone...?
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Interesting piece from the Financial Times on the impacts of Brexit on the UK economy. |
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randolph57
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Smoke and Mirrors all of it! At the end of the day we/re all screwed!
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Interesting comment this... I wonder how these same people feel now? I mean we "took back control of r borders" right? If it isnt obvious now to these people that the UKs issues were, and are, self made as a result of decades of incompetant governments, then it wont be until they have finished blaming everyone else for everything thats shit in their life and your turn comes around... As much as everyone who is anti immigration/asylum/"forinerz cummin ere takin r jobz!1" isn't a full weight, weapons grade gammon... a lot of them are, and i know for a fact that they weren't all completely unaware that leaving the EU would result in an increase in illegal immigration, because I was in many discussions where quite a lot of people informed them it would. It was "Project Fear" and "scaremongering" though... much like everything else thats gone to shit since we left. Two terms that basically mean "thats not what i want to hear so it cant be true". Brexit is a clusterfuck. A massively painful and expensive clusterfuck. I'm not even totally opposed to being outside the EU, just the way we did it.
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clift_d
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It was always going to be thus, and people were warned. The big question is how much permanent damage is it going to do to the UK before the idiots in charge stop pretending that it's been a big plus, and sensible people are allowed to step in and sort it out. The UK was the 'sick man of Europe' before we joined the Common Market. Chances are we'll be taking that title again before this is fixed.
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boilerman
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Shows how long its been since I've bothered any of you, as this is so old news now. Anyroadup, my
twopenny's worth, is, as we have a place in France(ok bighead), I reckon we were just getting accepted after 30 odd yrs, when Brexit happened. We have made some great friends though. I get the argument for there being unelected bods running the show, but where I live in Blighty, is a very strong, one party area, and I support the other half, and as long as I live here, my vote is worthless, a bit like the EU really. I just liked the idea that I was European, as well as a brit, now I'm a third world Immigrant. Sorry if this all old hat now, I just had to tell someone
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