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nicq
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your probably not even half full
Mine is full waiting for the prats in Westminster so we can celebrate |
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clift_d
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Err, whatever... Thanks for trying your best...
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clift_d
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And to those who say that people always knew, when they voted Leave, that they were voting for 'No Deal' take a look at some of the statements pre-referendum from various politicians in this twitter thread:
Interestingly enough, the only politicians in any of those clips who clearly appear to be flagging up the risk that leaving the EU might end up with us leaving the Single Market were on the Remain side of the argument, and their contributions were labelled at the time as 'Project Fear'. One other interesting statistic from ComRes polling that was done in 2016 a couple of weeks after the EU Referendum: Responding to the statement:
To be clear - a minority of only 35% of Leave voters said that they expected we would 'Leave the EU Single Market and end rules on free movement', and means that the majority of voters, including a majority of Leave voters, had no idea that a vote to leave the EU might mean 'No Deal'. Edited by clift_d - 08 Apr 19 at 16:38 |
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clift_d
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There's an interesting article from Brexit supporter Peter Oborne on the opendemocracy website - I was a strong Brexiteer. Now we must swallow our pride and think again
Nothing really to add to that.
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danstervan
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^^^ It's just a pity the guy you quote can't even use the correct terminology... These feckin idiots spouting forth their views would have more credibility if they actually used words that accurately describe what they are discussing. Where the fuck does "Britain" come into it? The UK is the member state. That'll be the UK that is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. "Great" Britain being the term to describe the largest island in the British Isles which is a geographical landmass. The "Great" refers to greater in size, not "great" because it is great / brilliant. It's actually really shit for quite a lot of reasons. An archaic political system that has caused this clusterfeck being an obvious example. The UK is a union between the Kingdom of Scotland and the Kingdom of England (the latter of which includes Wales and Northern Ireland). The two kingdoms may share the same person as queen but her status in each kingdom differs significantly. She is the Queen of England, but she is only the Queen of Scots. That's a big difference for those that have the capacity to comprehend what that means. The inaccurate terms used by those in positions of power and influence as well as the mainstream media that use words such as "county", "nation", and "Britain" to describe the UK continue to misinform and further confuse an already pretty politically unaware electorate.
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clift_d
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it's probably an affectation to Brittania and Empire...
I'm fairly relaxed about that - I just find it interesting that people are finally starting to see the Brexit emperor has got no clothes. Hopefully it's not too late to do something about it.
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clift_d
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Apparently there is some concern that Brexit is ‘already causing medicine shortages’ at pharmacies in England. The Pharmaceutical Services Negotiating Committee (PSNC) acknowledge that Brexit could be an exacerbating factor in the shortages that are being reported by pharmacies. although I'm sure some will try to say that it's just a coincidence that the list of
generic
medicines that are currently experiencing shortages is the
longest since a list was first compiled in 2014, and double the level of
shortages that were experienced last autumn. Also the Epilepsy Society is monitoring a 'steep rise' people having serious issues obtaining necessary medication, and is calling for an urgent review of the supply chain. Again, I'm sure that some willl argue that it's just a coincidence that it's got so bad as we're on the verge of leaving the EU. |
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danstervan
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Hahahaha! If only it weren't so true...
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clift_d
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In its defense the Telegraph said the article
Just like BoJo methinks... |
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danstervan
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Think this pair may have been out in the sun too long... |
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I voted remain. Not for any political reasons because democracy passes me by. I'd like to think that I'm a European rather than a George Cross wielding white English man, even though I'm half Irish. There was never enough truthful discussion at the time of voting for this to be a fair and (if you want) democratic act. Mostly because no-one knew what leaving really meant, so a new vote is only fair considering we now know how we will be affected, well nearly know.
I don't have the fear of the "foreigner" like many do, when you go to their countries you see how alike we really are, and in some ways more friendly too. End of sermon |
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The Matrix has you.........
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Don't say you weren't warned. Since a US-UK trade deal is one of the few things No Deal supporters constantly tout as a supposed 'benefit' to crashing out of the EU, it's worth remembering therefore that if you cast a vote for the Brexit Party, or any candidate that favours a No Deal exit from the EU, you are lending your support to: - Privatisation of NHS services - GM foods, chlorinated chicken and hormone-enriched beef on our shelves - Removal of many of the restrictions on the sharing of your personal data If none of that seems like a bad thing to you, then you go for it, but don't say you weren't warned. Edited by clift_d - 03 Jun 19 at 10:13 |
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danstervan
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Aye clift_d. It is remarkable that so much of what was stated earlier in the thread has come to be. I'm not stating that to gloat, more in disappointment that some saw this coming and tried to point it out to folk. Getting on for half the voters in the recent EU elections voted for a party, sorry company, that had no manifesto and a leader that wants to privatise the health service for the benefit of his mates. And yet again it highlighted the differing views of the constituent parts of the UK. It was strange how this thread had no input for a few weeks with all that was going on with our strong and stable government. Probably for the best as we may have fucked the BY server if we'd tried to keep the thread going with all the antics of the "UK political elite"* * aka bunch of self-serving flip flopping shitebags. |
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clift_d
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They didn't get half the vote - they got less than a third of the vote, and turnout was only 36.7%. Also, the 'definitely Leave' parties got a significant amount less than the 'definitely Remain' parties, if you discount the Conservative and Labour vote because neither of the two main parties can decide whether they're coming or going. Definitely Remain = 40.4% (Lib Dem + Greens + Change UK + SNP + Plaid Cymru) Definitely Leave = 34.9% (Brexit party + UKIP) Labour = 14.1% Conservatives = 9.1% It's also worth noting that the Brexit Party actually received a smaller share of the vote than the combined loss in vote share for UKIP and the Conservatives, meaning the Remain parties picked up votes from the Conservatives as well as from Labour, suggesting a swing away from Leave.
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danstervan
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I should have clarified that "getting on for half the vote" was in certain areas. There's no way you can just leave out Conservative and Labour from the percentages for either leave or remain. A bit of analysis on that subject in following link. https://wingsoverscotland.com/all-change-and-no-change Edited by danstervan - 04 Jun 19 at 01:07 |
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clift_d
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Interesting, but I think both those articles are assuming that everyone who stuck with Labour and the Conservatives is likely to be a hard Leaver and so could be counted on voting as such in any confirmatory ballot on a deal. I suspect that is also an over simplification, and that there are a fair few people who stuck with both those parties who are more pragmatic, and who may be willing to honour the first referendum if a reasonable deal is presented, but who would not necessarily support a No Deal outcome. In any case I think it's clear that there is no majority in the Commons for a No Deal, and any Prime Minister is currently bound by the requirement to win a confirmatory vote on the final terms of any deal. However, that majority against No Deal also means that were PM Bo Of course once we get to a general election then who knows what will happens, but I'm hoping that by the time we get to that point either Labour will have come off the fence, or the other Remain parties will have come to an arrangement that will allow one Pro-EU candidate per constituency to stand un-contested. |
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