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    Posted: 31 Oct 19 at 19:53
Pottertons told me recently,
in writing, 
that it's OK
to install a gas boiler
on an outside wall.

Provided the boiler
has a weatherproof housing.
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Hello,

I believe even repairing an old gas back-boiler, never mind replacing it with like for like, is illegal now. I think the only legal gas back-boiler now is A-rated and made by BAXI. In that case, you might be able to do a straight swap.
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The Green What!LOL
 
 
We call it the Green Elephant in the room.
 
 
Every day we get BS in by email how many are being done, how good it is for the trade! Total twot!!!!
 
 
Its the next PPI gravy train for the legal sharks, get a guess done on what the house uses and how it could be improved and you have to pay. Based on that they offer you some crap that the warranty doesn't last as long as the loan which is at 8% secured against your house if your mortgage company agrees!
 
Like Ferroli and other names above it shits it self three years in and needs a small mortgage to repair it and you are still left paying hoping it is saving you something.
 
 
This will be another legal field day for the solicitors, buy shares in the ambulance chasers now, it's the next PPI! 
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very interesting post..

I have a Baxi BB circa mid 70's by the lookm of the gas fire in front of it ! hasnt been serviced for 5 years that I have been here so guessing I should at least vacuum out the dust and crap from behind the front panel.

I had a call from BGas the other week asking if I wanted to take out their boiler cover plan... whan I asked if my 4o year old boiler would be covered he coughed and said he wasnt sure... but If I took out the cover and they couldnt get the parts then they would probably refund my payments, I declined their offer.

I would love to rip it out and put a lovely wood burner in its place, then stick the boiler in the loft out of site, but money too tight at the mo. I did look into the green deal but came to the same conclusion that it was a bad deal for me !!


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If your keeping the header tank I would normally fit a Worcester RI. If your changing to a sealed system you can either fit the same boiler or fit a Worcester system boiler that has the pump built in. The boiler mentioned above is meant to be ok too, just don't see many of them down this way
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I said it before and I'll say it again....Viessmann Combi. You won't be disappointed.
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Originally posted by T3ADICT T3ADICT wrote:


god know what make boiler to go for..


Our old house had a Worcester - and it was damn near faultless. Our new place has a Worcester, but we've barely used it yet (solar HW through the summer...)

My usual rule of thumb is that if there's a Bosch (Worcester is Bosch's boiler brand) in the market, and it's not outside budget, go for that. Aside from usually being top-notch quality, very few people are aware that the Bosch corporate is owned almost entirely by a humanitarian charity, with damn near all the profits going to medical, educational, development work worldwide.

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so the baxi is going...
we have a good chunk of money towards a new system.
not going for a combi, sticking with a tank but relocating the tank as well as the boiler..
 
we would like to have a solar system in the future so are planning on having a twin coil tank, god know what make boiler to go for..
seems so much infomation on the internet, it makes it harder to know what to get rather than easier.
 
 
WHY T3's.... because they are just so adictive, and having one just aint enough
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Now everyone take note, buy a Baxi and get shagged.
 
We have a saying over here,"Better Buggered by Baxi!"
 
Should have bought a real boiler, not a booby trap spares sales device, designed to fail to then sell you over priced spares or insurance scheme.
 
You can get the same cover for about £14.00.
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I had a back boiler in my house when i moved in.Potterton boiler to be precise,lasted about 5 years til i changed it.
The liner was cracked mind you so it hissed when you first put the heating on and the gas fire was knackered but it lasted til i got the money to get it changed.
I had it all ripped out and replaced with a Baxi Combi Instant HE .Saturday job as they say by a mate and his apprentice (done properly and registered before you say anything)
Lasted well til it started loosing pressure.Rang Baxi for advise,join our insurance scheme for £25 per month and we will come out and fix it (bit like joining the AA at a show cos your bus is broken).Turned out diaphragm was shagged,crap job its at the back and i has a shelf about a foot above it,ooh and its in a cupboard too lol.
Anyway all done fixed lasted a week the boiled packed up totally... this time motherboard had water damage ,apparently related to previous issue engineer said ?
Never mind ,good service by them and this year they only wanted £18 per month insurance too.
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update..
 
the upstairs system heating circuit is now in 22mm. we have added a extra capped section on the other end from the current boiler so that a new boiler in the future can be linked in.
 
when we have the money for a new boiler it will be placed in the kitchen.
will be like this
22mm flow & return pipes will go up through the floor into the room above, 2 meters to the first rad in the bedroom upstairs from the kitchen. about a meter after we have a pairt of  22mm ´T´s  that will split between downstairs circuit and the upstairs.
 
the downstairs curcuit will be next..
 
we are going to leave the current boiler in until i have the money but want to make fitting a new one as simple as possible.  
 
the pipes for hot & cold water for the bathroom cross the upstairs hall in a way make them easy to divert in the future. so those we have left for the moment.
 
im totaly new to this hole soldering pipes thing so my dad is teaching me, so everything takes longer...... But i think its worth learning.
 
a guy i work with said why didnt i do it all in push fit pipe.. 
   i dont know alot about plumbing, but from what i can see of the 25- 30 year old system thats in the house (3/4 inch pipe rather than 22... that was fun)   soldering the joints well seems to last.
     
 im not sure if i like the idea of push fit stuff under the floor..
so sticking to soldered joints.
 
 
 
 
 
WHY T3's.... because they are just so adictive, and having one just aint enough
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We are fortunate over here, we have Ninga where we all get together and meet up and discuss the truth.
 
Manfacturers try to flog us stuff but don't appericate when you let out loud about there crap reliability.
 
We can pool knowledge and spot the real lemons!
 
Have a read in the installer review about the transporter, they didn't want to publish owners experiences ut it's there now for VW to read along with possible new owners to consider before parting with cash!
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Totally agree, boilers are getting less and less reliable. Customers are now the field trials, the warranty engineer is kept in the dark just as much as the installer about faults. Going boiler to boiler that can't be fixed other than a temporary band aid. Soul destroying sometimes. I've been looking at going on my own, but there is so many hoops they want you to jump through for no real Benefit other than making them money.
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Originally posted by lloydy lloydy wrote:

Same as all firms really, always a few bad ones.. Thing is, you would not believe how many warranty jobs i go to where the installer is giving it the big man saying the boiler crap why's it not working (all in front of the customer) I would say 7/10 its either undergassed to a ridiculous level, gas is turned off, hot and cold plumbed in back to front, flow and return back to front, live and neutral reversed, flue not connected, ect... 
Don't get me wrong, i'm not sticking up for heateam, but there is a lot of knob head installers too. Infact i'd get out of the game if i could think of another line of work i would enjoy
 
 
I would too get out if I could.
 
Manfacturers and merchants are always telling the customer what we buy at.
 
Joe public wants us to work for beans but will pay a fortune for a spotty child to service their BMW.
 
Merchants flog shite like Honeywell controls and other makes which die after a few months and expect us to do free warranty work.
 
Gas Safe and the whole registration system isn not about standards or safety but about who can scalp the biggest wedge of cash out of the guys at the coal face.
 
I come across guys who don't know the percentage of Oxygen in the surrounding air, have CPA1 and don't understand what the figures on the anayliser means or if there not right what might be wrong!
 
The whole Green Deal / RHI is just another government backed scam again the trade. Nothing in it for us but plenty for the training and accreditation bodies who are cast iron sure of there money.
 
The whole thing looks alot more attractive to pay everyone off, sell the fleet, keep one a T5, and go no the dole and work for cash. No Vat or tax shit, work without regstration until they catch you sign on for a year and then jump off again. The Illegals never get a decent fine and if you don't kill then it will always be loose change.
 
If you drive without a license for a car you get buried, work on gas a finger wagged at you.
 
I know about under gassing, Had to go to Dundalk, called the guy two 50kw water heaters one flaming out when both on? Spoke to the guy told me they were both off a 2" steel line, Hmmm sound ok. Drove three hours, arrived took one look and laughed. Yeah they are off a 2" line with one 22mm service to do both with a dozen 90 solder elbows. Still won't take my diagonis. Put the gauge on the second fired first inlet was 17mbar on it. Lit the second. The first dropped to 10mbar and the second registered about 6mbar lit a bit, went to fire up and died at 2mbar. He really struggled to understand his problem!
 
 
But you have to admit Lloydy there are some manfacturers who design there products to fail out of warranty to fleece the crap out of the customers either in insurance plans of parts 5 to 6 times the price they should be. Examples Baxi solo fans and PCB's.Ferroli parts, Vokera electronic fans.
 
 
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Same as all firms really, always a few bad ones.. Thing is, you would not believe how many warranty jobs i go to where the installer is giving it the big man saying the boiler crap why's it not working (all in front of the customer) I would say 7/10 its either undergassed to a ridiculous level, gas is turned off, hot and cold plumbed in back to front, flow and return back to front, live and neutral reversed, flue not connected, ect... 
Don't get me wrong, i'm not sticking up for heateam, but there is a lot of knob head installers too. Infact i'd get out of the game if i could think of another line of work i would enjoy
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Originally posted by lloydy lloydy wrote:

they'll service it, no probs. or ring heateam (baxi) they'll service it too
 
You 've name two of the biggest villans in the gas market, get a decent local.
 
I am sorry but have seen SOME heatteam engineers and they don't inspire confidence in me.
 
Had to go and fix a gas leak at a boiler they left. What they did not know was we tested in the morning, fitted a hob and tested again. No leak. He attends and changes faulty gas valve in the boiler and closes it down for a leak. Yeah his leak at the boiler!
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Rip it out and get a combi you will save money in the long term

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they'll service it, no probs. or ring heateam (baxi) they'll service it too
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Originally posted by Alonline Alonline wrote:


Originally posted by lloydy lloydy wrote:

i'd get it serviced if i was you, open flue boilers pull in all the dust, lint and hair from your house. So they need the fire front taking off and a good hoover

 
I'm with Loydy get open flue appliance service and flue checked and a proper terminal or make sure your insured and a will so the next of kin can drink a pint to remember when your pink and stiff in the ground.
 
The draught sucks all hte crap of the day into them.
 
 


Got me worrying now. Do british gas still service these boilers? Theres a bgas bloke lives around the corner. Might give him a knock.
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Originally posted by lloydy lloydy wrote:

i'd get it serviced if i was you, open flue boilers pull in all the dust, lint and hair from your house. So they need the fire front taking off and a good hoover
 
I'm with Loydy get open flue appliance service and flue checked and a proper terminal or make sure your insured and a will so the next of kin can drink a pint to remember when your pink and stiff in the ground.
 
The draught sucks all hte crap of the day into them.
 
 
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