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    Posted: 17 Sep 11 at 09:14
Hello  The time has come! after many talks in the pub with my dear friend about what engine to shoe horn in to the back end of the van i have deiced that for now the 16v abf is the motor for me!

Luckily my mate has one in his golf so i have done some measuring and it will fit, just needs deck lid raising up about 3inch or so to clear the inlet manifold, water pipes are same as 8v so are the engine mounts and gearbox pattern. The sump gaskets are the same and oil pump are the same more or less so i hope the diesel stuff fits.

I was just wondering really if anyone on here has or had fitted one in to there van? i have looked and searched but found nothing! 

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dont profess to know much/anything about em but i was always under the impression they were not overly popular as there is not enough room to sit them over at 50' as per JX/2e etc and to sit em upright you need an adaptor plate- of which i dont know of anyone over here but in US (and although excellent quality) Kennedy will do one after arse raping you once vat/duty/shipping is paid.
  For same sort of time/money/hassle you could get a half decent head/cam sorted and fit MS.
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TransPorscher .. charlie has a mate with the 16v turbo'd crew cab.. was just along from baxters stall at vanfest.

16v can fit..
there is a local guy to me that had one.. on a 1.6na diesel box of all things..
eats almost anything of the lights... but at 85 its reving its nuts off  LOL
 
they lack the low down torque that a t3 needs, hence why people go 8v.
and they drink fuel like they have shares in BP.
 
 
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Being rev happy they are easier to drive on a 4 speed box.
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kr's were the things people used to put in th t3's way back when! good motors too! the abf has a dijiII rather than a metering head so bags more room! dont know where the bp shares thing comes into it but any inline 4 gti derived engine will drink the juice when pushed hard enuf! the kr was well known for being good on fuel if driven consideratly and my many 16v jettas would show mid/high 30's on a run! the abf should only be better onfuel with the diji system. deffo an abf next for my bus when the 2e lets go! what is it now? 7.8k redline? Wink revs are what we need!
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Originally posted by T3ADICT T3ADICT wrote:

TransPorscher .. charlie has a mate with the 16v turbo'd crew cab.. was just along from baxters stall at vanfest.

16v can fit..
there is a local guy to me that had one.. on a 1.6na diesel box of all things..
eats almost anything of the lights... but at 85 its reving its nuts off  LOL
 
they lack the low down torque that a t3 needs, hence why people go 8v.
and they drink fuel like they have shares in BP.
 
 


as i say, dont know TBH Chris. I thought it was on an adapter and not sat over at full 50' degrees ?!?!?!
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More info,more info please.
Given that the 1991 Corrado 1.8 16v i bought as a run around is a nail i had wondered if i could use it as an engine donor for my 1987 1.9 petrol T3?
anyone out there want to fit it for me as  space and time are a premium or is there an 'idiots guide ' available to fit it
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Digging deep here as it's long ago but the ABF is taller than the 8v engine. They were fitted in the golf 3's and some passat's (+ toledos). There is an older audi 2.0 16v (9a code I think) which is lower (same height as 8v) and they were fitted to the 16v Audi 80's (sports and competitions). Fuel and Ignition on the ABF are all ECU. Allegedly They were down-tuned by VW as not to compete with the VR6. You can chip them in one go towards 180hp. The rev like crazy which makes them 'feel' gutless but they're equal to the 8v. I've seen an ABF in a German van. Not quite sure about engine lids and such.

Not sure but I think you need to run at least 95 RON with these engines and all that power is only there with 98 RON. The engine has knock sensors and it's constantly controlled on the pre-ign. limit.


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hey up, got a 9a block ( short motor)  in my garage going cheap, sick of tripping over it! its missing the jack shaft and gears but other than that its good, same deck height as a kr but 2.0
 
offer me summat nice and its yours!


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It looks like im going to have to fit one to clear up some grey areas here lol.

I did some measuring when my mate had the golf, from the top of the crank pully to highest point on the inletmanifold/head the abf measured 19inch. I measure the same points on the 8v in my bus and it also measured 19inch give or take. It will lay down at 50deg but the inlet manifold will stick up as the inlet ports are on the front of the block. I took measurements off the oil filter to the deck lid on the 8v then made a point of measure to find how high the 16v inlet would stick up and it was around 3.5inch higher than the decklid so will need raising. 

As for power wise the mk2 with abf you could stick in 5th at like 10mph and it would just pull away had immense low down torque 220lb at 1600rpm and around 150bhp at i think it was 5000rpm so will suit my 1.6na diesel box just nice :D 
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For 'immense low down torque' stick a diesel in it ;-) 'cos that's not really immense. The ABF revs so high due to the rod ratio. The rods are longer. The long block is longer (9mm or 15mm are stuck in my memory) but I don't know hoe this works out tilted in a van. The inlet manifold is split and maybe you can machine one face to slightly change the angle. You could also cut and weld the plenum chamber on the upper inlet manifold.

You can also stick a TDI crank in them to make 2.1litre and move the power band back down.

Whatever you do I would imagine it would be very tiring to drive having to change gears constantly. 


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im currently driving a 6n polo 16v..
this is the little brother of the 16v lumps..
1.4 16v and 100bhp..
 
its great fun and keeps me in a better mood on my way to work.. but yesturday i drove our mk3 golf tdi..  for the frist time in a few weeks 
 
makes you realise what your missing with low down power..
 
if you dead set on doing it i would honestly say fit a more robust 4 speed box as it will make for a much better drive with all that up and down gears you will do..
 
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done some figure checking, the 8v peaks at 122lb at 3200rpm  the 16v has  125lb at 2000rpm and goes up to around 140lb at 2750rpm and stays at that round to 6500rpm so should pull like a train! i shall report back when the engine is in! Need to find one first like LOL
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote max and caddy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Sep 11 at 23:27
yeah..i seem to recall if you compare 8 and 16valves torque graphs the 16v has more all the way up but feels less...all in the mind! good engines tho, i trhashed the clems of my old MK1 golf 16v for years, drag raced it, back laned it and did all kinds of stupid stuff too, even auto tests and 12 cars, never broke it tho...140 mph, beats rs tubos..perfect!
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oh, and if you can bounce of the rev limiter just right it will "pop" out the exhaust, belter! 
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Hi Jonox do you still need a engine as there is two in my local breakers, he has one KR 1.8 and a 2.0ltr mk3 16v but i need to check on this later on being a 2.0
i think the only concern i would have about fitting the 16v is the dizzy clearing bodywork but i guess you have already checked this. there.a stonking engine, the 2.0 with KR cams gives you around 165hp, the 2.0 cams were a bit weedy.
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cheers mazz i am in no rush for the engine just going to look out for a cheap golf, dizzy should clear, if it don't i can just cut the panel off like i did on the other side of the van.
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