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    Posted: 08 May 07 at 23:44

Has any one done this coversion , any info is very welcome

 

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yes I also have a 1.6 JX TD and want to increas the capacity if that's possible or if anyone has any other sugestions on getting more power/tune ups on a JX please let me know.
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Do you mean bore out the 1.6 or replace the engine with a 130hp 1.9?
I presume you mean drop a newer tdi in there.
130hp sounds like the newer PD type engines(?).....get ready for lots of unsuitability with your gearing,and (I think) getting it under your original engine lid,on the later ones........

Bernd jaeger (german site) has mucked about with pd's,as have the canadians (fastforward.ca)

            
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Originally posted by syncrot4 syncrot4 wrote:

get ready for lots of unsuitability with your gearing


Well its usually me
They are very unsuitable without a large budget and lots of re engineering.
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cant see the gearing being a big problem as torque curvse is so flat on PD think building a box strong enough is your biggest problem ,still worth a try look what this guy is trying to achieve

http://www.ssvc.ukshells.co.uk/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=23027&a mp;postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=d592b32a 1ad759da55c385bee0818225

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Thanks for your reply(s) but I did mean boring out/tuning the existing 1.6td rather than installing a new 19.PD as that's a £2k upgrade.

Anyone got any ideas?
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If you intercool the 1.6,its supposed to get nearly 90 hp but more importantly for a T3 loads of torque.Maybe charge cooling,and GTD injectors gets you a little nearer your goal,but maybe 130hp is approaching the unreliable end of things?,after all you're asking for almost double the power!
An idea--Put an AAZ in,(which already has more power),and more scope(?)and tweak it if you feel you need to.its an upgrade thats affordable and relatively 'stock',many people have done it and seem happy.

it it was me,I'd go the tried and tested route,rather than the unknown.



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Thanks for the info, that's what I was getting at and the 130bhp was an example rather than a true goal so if I can get an extra 20-30BHP out of my existing 1.6 that would be great as I'm sure in doing some of the work I'll get back a little BHP that's been lost over the years.

Can you give me any documentation or links for the Intercooler and/or GTD Injectors on a JX please? I suspect the Intercooler and agood service/tune up will get me the extra Hill Climbing power I need for a few hundred quid leaving me some cash for Wheels, Shocks and boady work as the engine itself and the camping interior of my T3 is fine.

Thanks again for your help and advice.
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Great thanks for your help and advice... I'll need this done by a garage as I'm not skilled enough to do a propper job that I'd be happy to drive worry free. Have a VW t3 specilist in Gloucester that's more local and been recomended so will see if he has done this or will.

I'm guessing most of this is more about conferting the standard TD with some Golf GTI Parts...

Thanks again!
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Well,golf GTD parts not GTi.
It's probably cheaper to get a garage to 'AAZ it',as an intercooler set up in a (JX)T3 engine bay has to be done well or its pointless.,and those injectors wont be cheap.
If its AAZ/1.9'd you can always get an intercooler and injectors later for that once you've got too used to the extra power.

Do a search for AAZ stuff on here theres loads.......

            
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Ok... sorry i did mean GDT.. ha ha... Thanks for the AAZ tip.. have to weigh up benifits and cash and decide what the priorities are as T3 campers seem to be a money hole unless you take a conservitive approach.
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Sorry do you have any idea on the VW part numbers for the Intercooler...etc
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a standard vw intercooler varies quite a lot in sizes (slimline ones for example on sharans etc),but are generally the same-a dry radiator.
Not sure about part numbers for your JX,as I'm pretty sure there was never an intercooled JX offered.
But heres the set up from equivalent golf GTd

http://www.vagcat.com/epc/cat/vw/GO/1991/110/49/1086833/

Oh,oops you'll need to register to view the page,but worth it for part no.s etc

            
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Better of buying a charge cooler as intercoolers are difficult to place and be efficent imo. Shame someone has'nt made an after market air scoop for the rear vents, that can attach to the air to air intercooler. You may also need to increase the fueling on the pump when you fit a cooler.

More air rammed in the cylinder and a little more fuel creates a bigger bang in the cylinder, resulting in more power turning the back wheels.Big smile

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I took mine to Allard Motor Sport in Gloucester (Google it) and actually found my Turbo was lose/open and aftetr a few screws to hold it together it's much nipier.. I've got to replace the shreded o ring and then take it back but with a K&N and some pump tuning you can get the good power back into a 1.6TD JX and after gaining my turbo back i'm eating up hills in 3rd/4th so no real need to upgrade the JX if you can tune and get back to the 50-60bhp mark (Even fully loaded)

Also it seems you can sit at 70mph on the motorway pretty much constantly with fair fuel economy (I haven't worked it out exactly but it's at least 30+ MPG)
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If you want to fit an Intercooler, grab the whole kit from a 1.9TDI Sharan/Galaxy/Alhambra.......

The intercooler sits perfecly under the rear valance (does mean you need to make a 'left exit exhaust'

All the plumbing, plastic VW charge pipes hook right up to the Turbo with no major fiddling......

Ive done it to my 1.9 mTDI T-25.......runs good, reliable and 40+mpg

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Originally posted by mdjukes mdjukes wrote:

Thanks for your reply(s) but I did mean boring out/tuning the existing 1.6td rather than installing a new 19.PD as that's a £2k upgrade.

Anyone got any ideas?


Unless you do everything, including machine work, yourself you could easily spend that much on the 1.6 to take it out to larger displacement and higher power. Why not at least start with a 1.9?
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alot of peeps i think overlook just changing the gearbox of a 1.6 TD van. It drives with sensible power around town on the 1.6 box, its just the motorways that are a bit gay at 65+. try first upgrading the box by buying a 2.1 box , after you have sold your 1.6 box it may hold you in at only £250 outlay and it will be (as far as I undertand) much better at top end, plus you wont really have to declare this to the insurance as it wont exactly be glaringly obvious - they aint goona check the gearbox code (before I get a lecture I would mostly recommend declaring 95% of mods)
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