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    Posted: 25 Apr 07 at 09:16

Chris,
St David's? That must be Andy Middleton's TYF?   http://www.tyf.com/?c=0

Now that's what I call a job - lucky b*****d 



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That's my intention.  We have friends in St Davids, one who instructs at one of the outbound centres there so I'm hoping to see a lot more of them in the next few years.

I was in a kayak from about 12 as we had a lake in our back field so I was spoilt, it was a bit flat though!




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Apr 07 at 22:46
Originally posted by cjohnson_uk cjohnson_uk wrote:



Are there a disproportionate number of kayakers/paddlers on this forum?  Everybody seems to be at it!  I feel I've got to include a kayak in my list of must haves on the van having read all this! Although I think inflatable rather than surf appeals more atm due to having two children under 5.


Perhaps VW will start to offer kayaks as an optional extra?
Anyway cj_uk, get those children into a kayak - of any description - and get them proficient - they'll thank you for it!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Apr 07 at 22:38
I've seen a roof bar system that lowers a bracket over the side of the van to secure the canoe to at shoulder height and then once secured the whole lot slides back up onto the roof guided by the fitted roof bars.  It was in a german catalogue for t4 addons, maybe reimo IIRC.  Not sure how heavy or suitable it would be for a pop top as I didn't look into it at the time as my paraglider always went under the bed extension in the boot.

Are there a disproportionate number of kayakers/paddlers on this forum?  Everybody seems to be at it!  I feel I've got to include a kayak in my list of must haves on the van having read all this! Although I think inflatable rather than surf appeals more atm due to having two children under 5.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Apr 07 at 21:33
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With regards equipment, I've an old 70N Yak buoyancy aid (which I must replace this year), a 2/3mm Palm Short John wetsuit, a 2/3mm Sola Long John wetsuit, a pair of Salomon shoes and an Ekla trolley
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Apr 07 at 20:56
Originally posted by Mr Hedgehog Mr Hedgehog wrote:

Originally posted by Veedurb Veedurb wrote:

Originally posted by orangina orangina wrote:

HH,
 I don't want to teach my granny to suck eggs

Didn't know you two were related.

Only by the brotherhood of S-O-T kayaking, it gives me a warm feeling insideConfused, Easy Veedurb behave yourself LOL


ignore him HH - it's only soar grapes...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Apr 07 at 20:53
Originally posted by Mr Hedgehog Mr Hedgehog wrote:

Thanks for the quick list of tips Orangina

 I have to say there are some impressive enclosed Kayak surfing videos and pictures about,. How fast!!Shocked

 

I have been going through my old kit today I have a 4 year old HH Kayak buoyancy aid I am going to use, as my auto inflate life jacket I use on the Quicksilver will only last 30 seconds max before going off I will get something a bit more up to date when the budget builds up again

But I wont be wearing my 1988 old Otter Sport top or I will look like a right old retro kayaker

 

All I got to do is try and figure out where the best place to try the s-o-t will be this weekend, I was thinking about anywhere from Weymouth to Exmouth any ideas?


HH,
Shucks, you're too kind...
Kayak surfing is an extreme sport, I'm a non-swimmer so I knew I'd need to find out about it but I knew no one who did it to ask for advice - even the shop I bought my Scooters from (Reeds of Cambridge who have been in the kayak business for years) didn't know anything about the sport and couldn't advise me about suitable paddles! Oh and I didn't have a computer to 'surf' for help...
So I had to learn - fast! Practise helps, but I also found a good basic book and read it and read it over and over again. Night time - read the book, day time - try and put it into practise.
It worked! Everyday I saw an improvement and now I'm 'not too bad'
[nowhere near as clever as the boy in Veedurb's first Mega picture - but then I did my flying when I was in the RAF - now I want to be ON the water, not upside down over it! ].
The Canoe Wales website has loads of links and is well worth exploring fully..
Sorry I don't know the South Coast at all but the rule of thumb for decent surf is a west facing beach!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Apr 07 at 17:34
Originally posted by terryvanman terryvanman wrote:

just been onto bilbos and they said they used to do a bar system for lift up roofs for Kayaks.

the side lifting roof will take the weight of a kayak with no problems

but they dont do them any more

but are looking into finding a new suppler

It might be worth calling these guys, I have seen a lot of their conversion with surf boards on top or kayak on the side of the roof, their home page show a rack on a pop up roof

http://www.camperconversions.net/

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Apr 07 at 15:06
Originally posted by Veedurb Veedurb wrote:

Originally posted by orangina orangina wrote:

HH,
 I don't want to teach my granny to suck eggs

Didn't know you two were related.

Only by the brotherhood of S-O-T kayaking, it gives me a warm feeling insideConfused, Easy Veedurb behave yourself LOL

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Originally posted by orangina orangina wrote:

HH,
 I don't want to teach my granny to suck eggs

Didn't know you two were related.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Apr 07 at 14:55

Thanks for the quick list of tips Orangina very helpful although your are very modest you certainty know your onionsSmile, I did for a moment think about getting a enclosed Kayak but I broke my headOuch just over 2 years ago and still have problems figuring out up from down if is visually confusing like being upside down in surfConfused, So it was a S-O-T for me for the relative safety of not being enclosed

 

I have to say there are some impressive enclosed Kayak surfing videos and pictures about,. How fast!!Shocked

 

I have been going through my old kit today I have a 4 year old HH Kayak buoyancy aid I am going to use, as my auto inflate life jacket I use on the Quicksilver will only last 30 seconds max before going off I will get something a bit more up to date when the budget builds up again

But I wont be wearing my 1988 old Otter Sport top or I will look like a right old retro kayaker

 

All I got to do is try and figure out where the best place to try the s-o-t will be this weekend, I was thinking about anywhere from Weymouth to Exmouth any ideas?

Jumped Ship to a Vito but I hear a 2021 T6 calling, only real difference is the Vito cab is more car like.
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Originally posted by orangina orangina wrote:

Hi Veedurb,

Guess you missed the boat on this one...

" you can't have your kayak and eat it"

Pretty funny.  But then again I suppose you've got to have a sense of humour to be a SoT paddler...

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Hi Veedurb,
Guess you missed the boat on this one...
That's another S-o-T on the water!

But in fairness, Mr HH did say he wanted to paddle and still keep eating his pie - well I think there's an old saying along the lines of:

                   " you can't have your kayak and eat it"

Well with a S-o-T you can!        

I'll get my coat.............


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Apr 07 at 10:35

just been onto bilbos and they said they used to do a bar system for lift up roofs for Kayaks.

the side lifting roof will take the weight of a kayak with no problems

but they dont do them any more

but are looking into finding a new suppler

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Apr 07 at 10:27
Originally posted by Mr Hedgehog Mr Hedgehog wrote:

I should be afloat this weekend when we go camping at the South coast “starting with the very small surf first”

I can’t wait to be messing around on a Kayak again  Big smile



HH,
 I don't want to teach my granny to suck eggs etc., but here's a few very basic tips to get started...

To launch, pull your boat out till you're knee deep, face it into the waves, jump on (you'll perfect your own technique) start paddling.
Paddle at 90 degrees to the waves (remember they are not at right angles to the beach) and keep paddling through the surf zone out to the 'back'.
If you turn sideways to the waves on the way out, you'll be going for a swim!
Enjoy your swims  - they are all part of learning the sport and will be fairly frequent in the early days.
After your swim, you'll get even more exercise from the walk - back to the beach to retrieve your boat! [at least with a S-o-T you won't have to struggle to empty the darned thing! ]

Never underestimate the power of the waves and remember - no two waves are the same and they're all un-predictable.

When you get 'wiped out', even if you're using a helmet, keep your head tucked in for a few seconds - you don't want to surface, in the soup, to see your 20kg boat heading straight for your forehead

Use a buoyancy aid   [this is a Rule not a tip]

Don't let go of your paddle... consider a paddle lesh!

When you come back in to the beach, get out/off your boat on the sea side - not the beach side! Even those three inch waves can throw your boat quite hard against your ankles and not only will you lose all your but it chuffing hurts too
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Apr 07 at 10:13

Seems I'm a bit late in this one.  Surf kayaks all the way.  Buy Mega, their boats are the business, there's plenty of older ones out there in good nick.  Depending what type of surfing and skill level you are governs what type of boat you should buy.  International class are long (3m+) and are 'classic' surf boats, big sweeping turns, cutbacks etc.  High performance class boats are aggressive fun machines.  HP boats are harder to paddle though and your roll needs to be bombproof.

If you haven't surfed much, go on the UK Rivers Guidbook Forum (Sea and Surf section) and ask advice.  Try to avoid going out and pi55ing off the surfers as a novice...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Apr 07 at 09:50
Originally posted by terryvanman terryvanman wrote:

was just wondering if there's a firm/company that sell brackets to carry these Kayaks.....I've got a bilbo LWB pop top

Quote Likewise, Terryvanman - I really like the idea of one of these Scooters but
with a pop top I,m not sure about transport. Im' sure I've seen somewhere a
roof bar system for our kind of roof. Anyone remember? Would one of those
inflatable bar systems be suitable - the kayak seems pretty light - they
might work if they are wide enough for a T5.

Can't help you on this one fellas - for long runs I throw my Scooter (20kg) into my panel van...
I'm fortunate to be able to put a caravan down at Newgale - west facing beach in West Wales - for the whole season so one of my boats stays there! The caravan is 200 - 300 yards away from the beach so I trolley the boat down - no need for roofracks or brackets etc.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Apr 07 at 09:40
Originally posted by Mr Hedgehog Mr Hedgehog wrote:

Thanks Guys, Orangina I’m starting to think this might be a specialist subject of yoursThumbs Up, I have ordered the book from Amazon it looks like good reading

 

This morning I ordered the Kayak and new paddle and I am expecting delivery for Thursday so hopefully I should be afloat this weekend when we go camping at the South coast “starting with the very small surf first”

I can’t wait to be messing around on a Kayak again  Big smile



No HH I'm no specialist (and no where near the skills and expertise level of Veedurb etc) just very enthusiastic and I enjoy the sport very much - I also owe it a lot as I firmly believe it cured my back problem.

Well done on your purchase any kayak is fun, and all kayak surfing is exhilarating - it's an extreme sport,  I'm sure you'll enjoy the Scooter.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Apr 07 at 07:21
Likewise, Terryvanman - I really like the idea of one of these Scooters but
with a pop top I,m not sure about transport. Im' sure I've seen somewhere a
roof bar system for our kind of roof. Anyone remember? Would one of those
inflatable bar systems be suitable - the kayak seems pretty light - they
might work if they are wide enough for a T5.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Apr 07 at 06:17

hello

was just wondering if there's a firm/company that sell brackets to carry these Kayaks.....I've got a bilbo LWB pop top

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