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    Posted: 06 May 10 at 07:59
I've just ordered the EGR blank off kit from brickwerks for my 2.5 :)

I'm wondering if it would also be a good time to try and clean out the inlet manifold? has anyone previously attempted this, and how complicated is removal for cleaning?

I'm worried that I'll be presented with a similar disgusting mess to the one I found when taking the intake assembly apart on my vito a few years ago:



on another topic - I fitted the K&N panel filter yesterday. Clap lovely!


 
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the blanking plate arrived today. fitting was an absolute piece of cake - took me less than ten mins.

I treaded gingerly for the first few miles - the increased turbo noise was initially quite worrying. but even treading gingerly, the difference in pick up was immediately obvious.

once normal temp was reached I gave it some beans. all I can say is 'wow'.

there's no noticeable lag anymore. between 1200 and 2000k revs the grunt is astounding. in situations where I used to have to mash the loud pedal into the carpet in third and fourth, now there's just a lovely seam of oomph with immediate response.

brilliant.

now I'm just waiting for something to go pop :)
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What was the quality of the kit like? Also which engine have you got? 130 or 174 and have you had it re-mapped? 

Sounds like fun though!!
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Originally posted by Ruds Ruds wrote:

What was the quality of the kit like? Also which engine have you got? 130 or 174 and have you had it re-mapped? 

Sounds like fun though!!


it's a late 2005 2.5 130.

no remap - just a K&N panel filter and the egr mod, which was about a fiver from brickwerks.

it is fun - but there's always the little voice of worry about increased turbo temps...!
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I think enough people do this to VAG engines that you can be relatively confident. I'll order a EGR blank tomorrow Big smile
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Another quick question... My T5 is remapped, if fit an EGR blank how will the ECU react and would I get more of a benefit if the EGR cycles was switched off in the ECU?
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Originally posted by Ruds Ruds wrote:

Another quick question... My T5 is remapped, if fit an EGR blank how will the ECU react and would I get more of a benefit if the EGR cycles was switched off in the ECU?
 
As I understand it fitting the EGR blank physically blocks the inlet for recycling exhaust gases so no matter what the ECU tells the valve no gases can be recycled
 
I believe some people have had a fault light come on after fitting the plate so I can only surmise that there is a sensor in this area on some vehicles which detects that gases are not/cannot be recycled which registers as a fault (this is only my theory)
 
My van was fine and fitting the plate caused no dramas, I would imagine that turning off the EGR cycles in the software would do no harm but it may not be necessary as the inlet is physically blocked anyhow
 
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mpg: my trip is on 453 miles and I haven't hit the last quarter on the gauge yet.

normally i'd be expecting to hit the last quarter mark at around 400 miles....
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seems I was a bit premature with my 50 mile tank range bonus!

the light came on at 523 miles. fair enough - i've been enjoying the extra oomph, I only did the mod halfway through the tankful, and the van was full of kart and tools for practice yesterday.

I do wonder though - the turbo is a lot louder - is this normal?

the 'schrroooossshhhhh' sound that's been bugging me for so long has pretty much gone. must have been EGR related, which makes sense as the sound was originating from the exhaust manifold area.

the pipework for the EGR is pretty long and originates from the exhaust manifold. does anyone know where I could get some sort of blanking panel for that, so I can remove the entire pipe? my concern is strange back-pressure behaviour resulting from more than a foot of redunant pipe*.

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I thought the EGR plate went on the exhaust side?
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Originally posted by Ruds Ruds wrote:

I thought the EGR plate went on the exhaust side?

I've put mine at the only logical place I could see - at the join next to the filler cap:



the back of the pipe runs to the exhaust manifold next to the block and bulkead - the join to the exhaust manifold looks totally different (has three mounting screws for a start).
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Originally posted by cjm_2008 cjm_2008 wrote:

Originally posted by Ruds Ruds wrote:

I thought the EGR plate went on the exhaust side?

I've put mine at the only logical place I could see - at the join next to the filler cap:



the back of the pipe runs to the exhaust manifold next to the block and bulkead - the join to the exhaust manifold looks totally different (has three mounting screws for a start).



That's the right place - just below the filler cap.
When blanked off there, nothing can flow through that pipe.
Exhaust gases will only run out the exhaust manifold into the turbo housing.
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Sorry if I'm being thick, but I can't find the egr blanking plate on the Brickwerks website - can anyone provide a link, or is it a call-up-and-order part?

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The only way I could find it was to search for 'egr' on the brickwerks site. HTH
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Embarrassed

Didn't think of that (although to be fair I didn't spot the "search" box on their site!). Thanks Ruds, now found and will probably order tonight.
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Mine arrives tomorrow hopefully!
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OK mine doesn't appear as straight forward, or I'm being thick...

Which side of the silver pipe do I put the blanking plate, both have two bolts, but one is much harder to access!




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Originally posted by Ruds Ruds wrote:

OK mine doesn't appear as straight forward, or I'm being thick...

Which side of the silver pipe do I put the blanking plate, both have two bolts, but one is much harder to access!




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here I reckon. but wait until a more learned brick-yarder confirms!

unless you have an allen key that's a perfect fit, i'd recommend splashing out 20 or so quid on a set of star bits.




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Thank you for the reply, I had wondered if one end was hotter than the other but I can't work out if there would be any difference, it's only a short pipe!

Star bits are ready to go!
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Dumb question time. Would an egr blanking plate be appropriate for my lowly 85ps, or are they only for the 2.5 engine?
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