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not sure that the carburettor place the van is with now will take on flushing out the fuel system, annoyingly the tank is half full at the moment as well, so not a job I could do on my drive anyway.

waiting for news from them right now, they've had the vehicle since Tuesday, so I'm a little on edge, fingers crossed
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got her back from the carb place, running fine now, no jerking, no pinking etc, and could use full throttle up hills (although around town so not really a fair comparison).

apparently the float /needle valve was stuck, but the carb wasn't full of dirt.

so, no fault identified, seems like the fuel tank is the cause of the issue, needs dropping off, emptying, cleaning out and re-fitting.

so my trip will be via plane, hire car and bloody tent :-(

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Originally posted by 1day 1day wrote:

so, no fault identified

Well, you say that but if what they meant by
Quote fault diagnosed as no fuel coming into carb

is that no fuel was coming out of the float valve then they have found a problem and sorted it. As to why it should stick - I'd say that's more likely down to wear rather than dirt as that would tend to stick the float valve open in my experience.

If they meant by
Quote fault diagnosed as no fuel coming into carb

is that no fuel was reaching the carb itself, and that now it is I'd say it's a tank/pump/pipe problem which still needs to be sorted.

Can you see the new fuel filter getting dirty quickly? If not then it suggests your tank isn't too bad. Last year we did a 4000 mile charity trip around France and one of the other guys had brought a car that had stood for 12 years prior to the event (brave man!) although that was only 24 years old. About 1000 miles into the trip he was struggling up hills, and found that the fuel filter renewed before he set off was already becoming clogged and barely flowing enough fuel up hills. I don't think this is what's happening in your case as they found a carb problem, but worth keeping an eye on.

A shame to hear that you're not taking the LT, but hope you have a good time regardless. I'm sure there'll be more in the future when these problems have been ironed out.


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Sorry I haven't updated this thread for ages.

Didn't go away to Hungary in "Puddle Jumper" (as my wife's named it), but did some work on the fuel system recently and went away to a UK festival with the kids for the bank holiday weekend, so the vans back in favour again :-)

Hopefully I've fixed the fuel system issues, there was dirt in the fuel (symphoned out and back in via 6 filters), some of the fuel hoses near the tank where loose, it had an old disintegrating fuel filter near the tank, replaced it, and had the carb serviced by a carb specialist ).

She now pulls much better, and will hit 65+ motorways downhill, 50 - 55 mph on the flats, 40-45 hills, all in fourth.

But the MPG on a recent 200 mile trip was 13.7 mpg, so ether that improves or I have to consider LPG, don't fancy Hungary next year (2500 miles) with 13mpg :-(, so every MPG and MPH counts!

The other thing is that the fuel tank is tiny, so with such low MPG the journeys take even longer!  Again, LPG might be the answer to this, a 120 litre tank would add to the range somewhat.

Read elsewhere on here about valve leaks, so will get a compression test done, and also thinking about inlet and exhaust manifold gaskets, can't hurt and might reduce the noise a bit too!

MOT is the next item on the agenda, booked for Friday, fingers crossed.

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Well, we did the 2500 euro trip this year, and, the van ran superbly all the way!

London, Ramsgate, Ostend, through Germany, through Austria, around various parts of  Hungary, and then same route back to London.  

With 5 people, approx 350kilos of luggage and camping gear.

The main part of the mileage (to Hungary) was non stop other than fuel / food using three drivers.

The route featured some pretty long and steep mountain motorways, which where obviously slow, but, nevertheless the van coped and never showed any signs of stress !

Top speed on the sat nav was 69mph (down a very steep mountain!).  Slowest uphill was 14 mph... very scary at 3am with 400bhp trucks screaming past at 50mph uphill despite pulling 40 tonnes :-()

Lowest MPG (per tank) was 12.7, highest 15.6.

Despite the above tough conditions it never missed a beat, water temp stayed low, fuel consumption only varied with wind and steepness of the mountains, and oil consumption actually dropped on the return leg (was using 400ml per 750 motorway full throttle miles, now down to 200ml).

... and the biggest surprise was high octane fuel, the shell VPower racing 100 octane, and, Ultimate 102 octane, which the van just loved, so much more power than ordinary 95 or 98 octane, really noticed the difference when we couldn't get any...

All the drivers agreed that she was fun to drive, we swapped every 2 - 3 hours (ie every fuel stop) so it wasn't arduous, but now I want those audi 100 / porsche 924 engine mods on mine, and some high octane LPG :-)


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Glad to hear everything went well!

Interesting to hear about the octane ratings - to me that suggests it's running a tad advanced when on lower octane fuels. (Although that would make it more likely to pink…) Do you know whether the timing is set to the 'book' setting? With older engines, what was optimum when the engine was new may not be the case after years of wear and slightly different fuel composition with modern fuels and I've sometimes had better results when setting the timing up by trial and error.

Hopefully should reduce any performance loss on LPG then, as that needs more ignition advance than petrol - at least at lower rpm. I believe that at higher revs, it requires less advance than petrol, but I'm no expert.
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Thanks :-)

I spent quite a bit of money on her just before we went away, including solving the long term engine problem which turned out to be a combination of a nearly dead alternator and carb not being properly mounted (full throttle pulled it off the mounting plate allowing in dirty air).

had the cambelt changed, all plugs, service, rear brakes re-built, alternator re-built, xenon headlights (a must, wow!), some other belts changed, exhaust joints re-sealed on various pipes, gearbox filler renewed and oil change, ditto rear diff fluid, new leisure + engine batteries.

re: LPG, I was going to get her converted before this journey, but, was worried about the lack of electronic ignition timing... from what I've managed to read, most LPG conversions rely upon this to work properly as it can be dynamically adjusted by a microcontroller.   obviously, this doesn't apply to us LT owners...  

now that I know she will run on high octane I'm seriously considering the investment, as I can simply use high octane (super unleaded 98 + castrol lead replacement with octane booster) for the times that she's warming up on petrol... or when I can't get any LPG.




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I wouldn't say that most LPG systems need the timing adjusted - they are rarely mentioned on an LPG forum I'm a member of (www.lpgforum.co.uk). I've installed LPG on two V8 Discoveries, the first with an old fashioned single point system and the second with a sequential gas injection system. Neither of them I felt I had to adjust the ignition timing, and on the current one there really is no difference whichever fuel you're running on - you have to look at the switch.

Unfortunately you'll have to use a single point gas system on the LT which will drop the power a little. But, as you say if the timing is optimised for LPG then you can always use an octane booster when on petrol (or just make sure you don't load the engine if on normal fuel). You won't want to use any more petrol than you have to and with a single point system you should be able to change to gas pretty much straight after starting.

I assume you mean Xenon HID headlamps rather than simple Xenon filled filament bulbs? I have the former on my LT and it means I can actually drive at night! Bear in mind that they will be specifically checked on the MOT in the future (I think January onwards) and failed unless there is a levelling system and headlamp washers (as on factory fitted lights). Not a major job to swap back for the MOT though...
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I just used the halford 90% brighter bulbs, expensive at £22 each, but, quite honestly worth every penny, in dipped position they are now brighter than previously on full beam!  

I need to re-adjust the beam / aim, but other than that no problems :-)


re: LPG, any power loss is a serious issue (to me)... I still really want some more power, not much as I'm not after top speed increase, just more ability to cope with motorway hills, another 10bhp would make a lot of difference imho!


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