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    Posted: 20 Dec 11 at 10:15
Help! I had the clutch replaced on the Syncro in January and it seems to have gone again. This can't be right can it? I'm taking it back to the garage tomorrow for them to ahve a look, but I don't see why I should be shelling out another £500. It seems it could either be an oil leak (no sign of oil though) or the clutch has gone, unless anyone else has any ideas.

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When you say gone do you mean clutch slip or clutch drag. ???
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Originally posted by jimbob jimbob wrote:

Help! I had the clutch replaced on the Syncro in January and it seems to have gone again. This can't be right can it? I'm taking it back to the garage tomorrow for them to ahve a look, but I don't see why I should be shelling out another £500. It seems it could either be an oil leak (no sign of oil though) or the clutch has gone, unless anyone else has any ideas.

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£500!! clutch is £90 innit? got my syncro box off in 2.5 hour on the floor and that included lots of stuck bolts...quite an easy box to remove in fact if a tad heavy, maybe your oil seal has leaked all over the plate? (if it slips) the bell housing "should" be sealed with silicone so a leak wont be obvious...bet its not sealed tho...

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Slip, but not the same as last time if that makes sense?? First time the clutch went from slipping to gone in a short space of time, this seems to be more drawn out and inconsistant, maybe it is an oil leak?
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2.5hrs, they did me for 6hrs @ £37.5 + VAT. To be fair it needed a new slave cylinder which cost £86 + VAT
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Originally posted by jimbob jimbob wrote:

2.5hrs, they did me for 6hrs @ £37.5 + VAT. To be fair it needed a new slave cylinder which cost £86 + VAT


One of these ?

http://www.brickwerks.co.uk/shop?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=260&category_id=48

OEM quality for less than £50!!

Im not a pro mechanic and dont have even access to a 4 poster ramp etc but have done a syncro clutch in less than that and that was the first time i had done one. Are they are VW 'specialist', independant garage or just plain 'ole chancers/cunts ?

I guess they billed you for tea/dinner breaks aswell.

Did you get (or ask) for old parts back last time?

Im proper cynical. Charge you thr the arse to do the job, 'replace' clutch that they have billed you for when all they have done is cleaned contamination off cover and maybe thrown in a new plate. Easy not to tell you about any seals gone as you didnt ask too many questions last time they know you will come back and they will arse rape you again using another excuse.

 Sorry, im a cunt so judge everyone by my standards. Good luck chap!!
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They are VW 'specialists' and they did show me the old parts last time. I've been onto consumer direct just to know for sure where I stand with them and there seems no doubt that the garage is liable under the 'supply of goods and services act 1982'. I hope it won't go that far, but it's best to be prepared.

I'm not convinced the correct clutch was fitted as they assured me that a standard T3 clutch was correct?
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What engine have you got in there?  standard one?  IIRC there are no differences in syncro and 2wd clutches...
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Originally posted by jimbob jimbob wrote:

2.5hrs, they did me for 6hrs @ £37.5 + VAT. To be fair it needed a new slave cylinder which cost £86 + VAT
hold on! it took 2.5 hour to get the box out, but that includes a few stuck/rusty bolts so going back will be qicker...i dont know how long it "should" take but 4.5 hours should cover it i think including tea, fag, and piss farting about breaks, (maybe even a crafty google of some porn) the new crutch cylinder wont take any longer as its off anyways.

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easy diesel 3 hrs tops. + 0.5 for a petrol cause the starter is a t**t. clutch warrenties are a total pain in the arse. the manufacturers will insist on an inspection and in 99% of cases they will disput the claim saying there is nothing wrong with it. asked for the unit to be returned once to get it independantly assessed and guess what.

surprise surprise it got lost in the post.

if the clutch is slipping you need to make sure the release mechanisim is releasing fully and that there is no contamination. if this is good you`ll need to pull the clutch and check it out.

 " flywheel fault " is the common f**k off line from the manufacturers. chances are its a duff clutch as fitting them aint exactly brain surgery and the fitters will be as p****d of as you that its failed.

try and work with them if you need to claim on the warrenty.
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to be fair it could be a flywheel fault...my jx one had a lot of wear on so got it re faced but if you dont remove metal from the clucth mounting area it will lose a lot of its clamping force...
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AngryJust been told by the garage that it is definately the clutch that is burnt out and they are saying it is due to wear and tear!! They seem to be trying it on continually ("didn't we do an advisory on this one with the flywheel", "maybe the slave cylinder needs changing"). They replaced the clutch, slave cylinder and re-worked the flywheel at the end of jan this year. I have done no towing, offroading and the mileage is well below average. They are putting down to me "riding" the clutch, which is nonsense.

I will have to take this further as I really don't see how I can be liable to cough up another £500!Angry
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what make clutch did they fit?

how did the pedal feel with the new clutch?

where was the bite point of the new clutch?

how long did your last clutch last?

may be worth the expence of an independant assessment. if they are confident its your fault then they wont mind this. however if they are trying to hide something they wont be to chuffed at this suggestion.

it is a difficult one but the clutch makers will try and get out of it everytime but it has lasted almost a year so suggests its worked ok till now. very difficult one ???????
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The last clutch lasted at least 2 years, as it was fitted prior to me buying the bus in Jan 2009. To be honest the clutch felt the same as before when they fitted the new one. My arguement is that how can a new one last less than twelve months, when the previous one lasted at least two years?
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well if its worn out and burnt "due to slip" then its either.

1. clutch pedal not relaesing correctly causing slip. either by riding the clutch "driver fault...not suggesting this" or the relaese bearing not being allowed to return fully. stiff fork faulty hydrilics / blocked flexi ect.

2. the pressure plate grip was never surfice in the first place allowing slip even when pedal fully disenguaged.

3. the material used was shit in the first place has worn too quickly thus reduced grip pressure, thus inducing slip all ending in burnt.

bit of a chicken and egg question. ???

would like to know which make clutch was fitted.
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Originally posted by jimbob jimbob wrote:

AngryJust been told by the garage that it is definately the clutch that is burnt out and they are saying it is due to wear and tear!! They seem to be trying it on continually ("didn't we do an advisory on this one with the flywheel", "maybe the slave cylinder needs changing"). They replaced the clutch, slave cylinder and re-worked the flywheel at the end of jan this year. I have done no towing, offroading and the mileage is well below average. They are putting down to me "riding" the clutch, which is nonsense.

I will have to take this further as I really don't see how I can be liable to cough up another £500!Angry
when they "re worked2 the flywheel what did that acctually involve? see my last post about removing metal at mounting area and clamping force etc...i doubt your going to get anywhere to be honest, i have seen folk do a clutch in a day...mostly old feckers who cant drive/hear, not saying you are but how can it be proved you havnt been giving it death etc? the only thing i can guess at is the flywheel is worn so far its lost its clamp..  
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I don't know about the flywheel, all it says on the invoice is 're-worked'. I am going to speak again to consumer direct on Tuesday and see where I stand. When they fitted the new clutch this year they should have advised on any adjustments or parts that need to be renewed. I have been even more careful this year than the previous 2 years, I just can't see how my driving can be at fault.
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fair enuf and i agree, the only reason i can come up with is the flywheel really...the hydralics cant really cause that to happen...if...if the flywheel was refaced its like putting a load of wear on it...most flywheels are flat so simply end up like new, but, the jx ones are like a dish, so unless the same is taken off the rim (and the amount its worn) it will result in less clamp...many folk dont consider this untill its pointed out and its very important! bet thats the issue here.. 
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if that is the case then we need to get a depth measurement on a std flywheel and a depth measurement on your flywheel to confirm it`s been skimmed properly or not as the case may be.

i have seen a partially blocked clutch flexi hoze not allow the clutch bearing to release fully before now. clutch felt a little heavy as the hydrolics forced fluid though on the down stroke and felt normal on the release aprt from the fact that stalling the engine on the clutch was not easy, as a quick release was not allowed.

if your syncro has a rubber flexi then this may apply if it doesn`t then obviously it wont.

have a jx flywheel in work and will be back in on 3rd. if you need measurements before then let me know.

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