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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Essex Nige Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Jun 09 at 09:04
Nice reading, i do 500+ miles a week in the Doka plonking up and down the A12... i will give it a go, bugga all to loose i suppose...

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exactly what I was thinking - I was always told that heating oil has the affect of destroying piston rings etc... so maybe this is a match made in heaven - but whos gonna try it out?
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when i was a teenager i used to run a escort van on heating oil lot cheaper when you nick it out the tank in the garden Embarrassed, but i was told it didnt have enough oil in it so when i put a couple of watering cans of heating oil in i used to put a cup of any oil in two stroke was one of them but it also used to be engine oil ,compressor oil anything will do, at the end of the day a diesel will run on any oil !!!!Wink



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Joker_Club Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Jul 09 at 11:39
Interesting reading, looks like the 2-stroke oil improves one aspect of it (improves the wear problem) the other claimed benefits from earlier posts are hard to quantify ie, less smoke, smoother running, more MPG etc a lot of which are down to personal perception.
 
I`ve been running mine on 2% 2-stroke oil in the last full tank, not done more than about 200 miles yet, but I do think I have less smoke when starting from cold (it was never bad, but it does look to be improved, hardly anything now from cold) not noticed any other differences yet, but I`ve only done about 200 miles.
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No conclusive results posted yet?
 
The following are FACTS.
1) Adding biodiesel to your mineral diesel will reduce emissions / soot particles. An addition of up to about 15% will not cause any problems.
2) Adding more than 15% can result in loosening of old mineral diesel gum deposits from from your fuel system. This can clog your fuel filter but I have not heard of it causing mechanical damage.
3) As the biodiesel cleans your sytstem power my increase / return to what the maker intended.
4) Bio diesel may or may not increase your engines power - depends on what the bio diesel is derived from and its calorific value.
5) Bio diesel burns much cleaner than mineral diesel. Old landrovers that fail MOT emissons on mineral can pass easily when switched to bio.
 
Two stroke oil - Reliable advice can't be giiven as two stroke oils vary so much. A good 2 stroke oil will give the benefits of bio diesel and improved lubrication compared to mineral diesel.
Older 2 stroke oils tended to be desiged not to burn so they remained in the barrel & combustion chamber - these would I feel certinly not increase power nor reduce emissions in a diesel engine.
Many modern two stroke oils are designed to burn fully in the combustion chamber to minimise deposits and increase power. These will reduce emissions and give more power but I would be surprised if you noticed at ratios of 200:1. The will give excellent fuel system (but not engine) lubrication. Remember in a 2 stroke the oil comes in at the bottom and works its way up to the combustion chamber lubricating bore etc on its way. In a diesel 4 stroke the oil is injected and burns immediately, never having time to lubricate the engine.Cheers
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jul 10 at 13:04

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These are your results?

Why not just use wvo and svo?

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Why not just use wvo and svo? Perfectly reasonable question and in most cases no reason why you should not use these varieties of bio diesel at 100%. I was just using the lower % s a basis to discuss the addition of 2t oils to mineral diesel.
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I use 100% svo in my TDi Golf AHF engine, with no bad effects, lower emissions, more mpg and a slight perceived improvement in performance.

However I use a twin glow plug inline diesel heater on a dash mounted switch which preheas the svo to 80 degrees prior to Injector Pump.

I have run in the hot weather 100% svo in the JX T3 with no bad effects, no inline heater yet, but in colder months I will run it at 75% svo 25% diesel to ease strain on injector pump on starting cold.

After initial running for 500 or so miles your Diesel filter can become clogged due to the cleaning effect of svo.  Once this has been changed no real other steps needed as the fuel system will be running much cleaner.

This is my findings, FYI


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I've always put 2 stroke in my 2.4's & they do seem to run smoother Geek 
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As Jagrunner said - no conclusive results posted?
 
After a year there should be some conclusive data by now from those who tried it Stern Smile.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Titus A Duxass Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Aug 10 at 12:31
I did try it, I didn't add too much.
It stopped the start up smoke but I didn't notice any other benefits.
Running high quality diesel give more noticeable and immediate benefits.
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Could someone tell me who knows if Ican put this 2stroke in my 07 t32 as Ihave to fill-up 2morrow thanks Confused
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I've been using it in my 1Z Passat every few months now for the past year. I'm also using WVO from my local take-away !!! 50/50 .  So the 2 stroke goes in with regular diesel when I can afford a full tank !! Or nearly a full tank, there's a 70 litre tank in the Passat so even at Sainbury's price of 137p a litre it's painful  !!!

Sand Dancer: I haven't read all the above info but is there any mention of 2 stroke oil and PD injectors? I'm guessing your 07 T5 is a PD engine? Only info I read was about 2 stroke oil lubricating normal style diesel pumps,hence me putting it in my 1Z passat. With 226,000 miles on the clock I'll do anything to help the old workhorse stay on the road longer !!!  Wink


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most twostoke oils are dyed ,red green blue etc how are you going to explain that your not using red diesel should you get stopped and dipped by the customs ,if you tell them you have put two stoke oil in as an aid to lubrication are they going to believe you i think not  a hard one to pull off as even the slightest change of colour in your road going diesel fuel is going to get them suspect about you
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300mls to 70 litres isn't going to change the colour.
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Originally posted by bongosrest bongosrest wrote:

most twostoke oils are dyed ,red green blue etc how are you going to explain that your not using red diesel should you get stopped and dipped by the customs ,if you tell them you have put two stoke oil in as an aid to lubrication are they going to believe you i think not  a hard one to pull off as even the slightest change of colour in your road going diesel fuel is going to get them suspect about you
 
Thats complete rubbish. They dont just look at a sample,then prosecute. They take a sample and check it for a chemical which cannot be seen without analysis.  
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Originally posted by bongosrest bongosrest wrote:

most twostoke oils are dyed ,red green blue etc how are you going to explain that your not using red diesel should you get stopped and dipped by the customs ,if you tell them you have put two stoke oil in as an aid to lubrication are they going to believe you i think not  a hard one to pull off as even the slightest change of colour in your road going diesel fuel is going to get them suspect about you


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I've been doing it for a couple of years now in my 1996 Passat 1Z, it's on 240,000 miles by the way !!!

And now we're into the heatwave season in south west England  LOL

I'll be doing 50/50 waste veg oil from my local take away !!! Wink





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Here in South Africa where sometimes the diesel is of a dubvious quality I have been adding 300-400ml of Castrol 2 stroke oil per full tank to both my daughters Focus 2.0TDCI and to my 2,7CRD (Mercedes Engine) Jeep Grand Cherokee for over 2 years now and the results have been quite remarkable.

Results include easier starting, certainly more power and better acceleration and a dramatic improvement in the fuel consumption on both vehicles. Both vehicles are also a lot quieter when running.
On the Jeep which is quite a heavy 4x4 my highway consumption at 120kmh (73mph) has decreased from 10.4L/100km to 8.7L/100km (27mpg). That is in excess of a 10% improvement in the fuel consuption!
The Focus when cruising at 120kmh (73mph) returns 5,2L/100kms (47mpg). At 100kmh (61mph) the fuel consumption decreases to 4,6l/100km (53mpg). Amazing consumption for a 2.0 engine.

As both vehicles are used for business purposes I can maintain quite accurate fuel consumption figures as all fuel is purchased on fleet owners cards and we recieve statements monthly from the card company detailing the fuel usage.

If you do add to much two stroke the only noticeable problem is a little smoke on acceleration as often prior to going to fill the vehicles we will first add 3-400ml of two stroke and then drive the 7-8km to the garage to fill the tank (I should keep the bottle of two stroke in the vehicle I suppose).
The Focus now has 1118,000kms and the Jeep has 105,000kms and neither the glow plugs or the injectors on either vehicle have ever given problems or required replecement.

With town driving the Jeep returns beter fuel consumption tham my wifes Merecedes C200 petrol model which is remarkable given the size and weight differance of the two vehicles.
Apart from gaining far better performance the fuel saving pays for the extra cost of the 2 stroke oil. I buy the 2 stroke oil in 5l containers from a motor factors as it works out a heck of a lot cheaper than buying the small botles at the fuel stations.

Owing to the higher sulpher levels in our diesel here I do carry out an oil and filter change every 7,500kms and both vehicles are serviced by the agents at 15,000km intervals, Ford reccomend 20,000km service intervals but a lot of our driving is in very dry and dusty enviroments hence we service them earlier.

One of my employees also adds 2 stroke to the fuel in his 3 litre diesel Ford Ranger, he also reports better acceleration and more power combined with the lower fuel consupmtion but I do not have accurate fuel consumption figures for that vehicle.
I also add the same volume of 2 stroke to a four cylinder 20Kw diesel standby generator, obviously I have no idea about fuel usage on that machine but like the vehicles it also runs considerably quieter.
I am totally sold on the idea of adding small volumes of 2 stroke oil to the diesel and I would reccomend it to anyone.         
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